TheSongRemainsTheSame

..."That's what it's about. Speaking in tongues gets the attention of seekers and proves that there's real power behind the Gospel. It really is proof, and it works the way God intended it to. " Peace JerryB *** JerryB, Thank you for your words this thread. One of the reasons I started this thread is that late one evening I was channel surfing and came ashore one of those PTL type of shows. This lady was preaching to a full house of at least 4000. She really had the audience her full attention and participation. The choir and the 'elders' in the background with a wonderful setting of props and plants. Top of the line stage set. She was just a speaking her heart those decible levels of shouts and laughter and praise and then she would intermittingly SIT. The camera would pan the audience, as well the choir and those seated on the stage. Their faces would either have closed or wide open eyes and their arms raised above their heads or palms up at their sides and vocal praise etc in response those outbursts of tongues. I thought it was rather amusing. That was to an audience of at least 4000. Is that proof SIT is real or rather a response of heightened emotions? I truely at one time beleived in the manifestation of SIT. Here's my 'faith proof' it works. This single mom, a pfal grad in my twig, was having trouble with her child sleeping at night. The child would just cry and cry and cry himself to sleep. She called and asked me over one evening to hear this temper of a child in the crib. I was the twig co ya know. Oh the child would cry alright. I asked her if it would be okay to enter the childs room . She agreed. I just stood over the crib and silently spoke in tongues. Within just a few minutes the child was asleep. I exited the room and she inquired what happened. I told her that SIT is intercession for the saints and rest for the soul and that since her child was not yet old enough to believe, he was covered under her protection. She called me back several evenings to repeat the aformentioned intevention of intersesssion because when she tried what I did, it did not work for her, but worked for me and the child I was "ministering" to via sit. I told her, "Please take you son to the pediatrician." (THIRD AID) Come to find out, the child had cholic. After proper medical remedy he was able to go to sleep on his own. Now, really JerryB., you actually think that experience is proof of sit? Man that's a flip of the coin and no proof at all. Heads its proof, tails its not; or next time the flip, tails its proof, heads it not. The child simply cried itself to sleep and I just happen to be there sit. Or flip the coin, I just simply sit while the child cried itself to sleep. Or flip the coin again... It really is no proof at all and that is what I am being honest about. I just do not see the proof that sit is real just because of experiences. I experience that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, but that does not make it so. Rok On StevenH.

"Same song ~ different thread. You don't HAVE to remark here, no one is holding a gun to your head...and if you do, don't be surprised if others perceive ill-will, or unfinished business ~ the latter, the exception and of course, a reason to respond." GT *** Are you refering to me??? tsrts

Oh My God... That is the wildest of my stories

I don't think they get way over your head... it's more like they don't understand what they are saying to each other and it's over their head... :D-->

lindyhopper that is just way too much of a thought for me concerning the angels being subject to us according to the WOG... maybe this thread does have a doctrinal issue... but other wise i would have to go with my gut instict that they are at least billions of years of age...

Do they play banjos in doctrinal issues

"What will all those angels who have been fighting everyday and night since the fall do when it is all over? Retire maybe." lindyhopper Well, i suppose they will be subject to us, so the story goes...

I wish I could reply to every word written 'pon this thread. The dobros play with strings in tune and I am just a listening to all the chords presented here, a cheer to my soul of thot... to think Rok On Song [This message was edited by TheSongRemainsTheSame on January 07, 2004 at 14:10.]

..."But what seemed to bother me the most were those Intermediate Class "exceller sessions". It just didn't seem right that something supernatural from God would require so much intervention from man. Like some here, it really bugged me when they insisted that we practice by going through the alpabet in order to "increase our fluency". I kept think, "chapter and verse. Where in the bible did the believers of the first century church need to do such a thing?" I also wondered what a person who's tongue did not have certain english aphabet sounds was supposed to do. Many Asian languages do not have an "r" sound for instance. That's why chinese speakers have such a difficult time with words like, "rice". But nobody ever seemed to question the logic of these practices. But I did all the time." Cherished Child I also QUESTioned like 'nobody', but accepted my 'nobody' status. I don't know if I am a child of god, but hope I am cherished to be one if i am one. You are right on..."Where in the bible did the believers of the first century church need to do such a thing?" .... Song

..."In short, to believe something is proof based on faith is not proof at all."... lindyhopper Amen, amen, & amen to that lindyhopper. That is reality for sure. Just because I believe something does not make it true unless what I believe can be proved to be true. And to try to prove what I beleive to be true just because of my FAITH is utter NON Sence and babbling about in some strange thought that others should accept as true because I believe it to be so. Such is religion. Holy Cow you hit it right on... dig Why can't we all be as honest as "Where is the Proof?" Where is the evidence? (Oh , but you must accept by it all by "Faith"! ) Yeah, sure, and I use to put my teeth under the pillow for some kind of 25 cent fairye, well I am sure inflation has it about a buck or two now. Where is the proof! Where is the evidence? a two thousand year old experience of dead witnesses written in an leather bound gold leaf of KJV in the book of ACTS.... 25 cents under all your pillows of faith based upon inflation of THE TRUTH, whatever that may be. Remember the sun does not revolve around the earth.... it only seems that way... and the stars still do shine even though the sun is out!!! Rok on Song

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Whoops... this thread has digressed a little swerve from neither to the right or the left... or is it either or... either way stay tuned... i have not forsaken you...

Well, well... I suppose we should all start playing banjo's using Thomastik-Infeld bluegrass banjo strings to stay in tune... Dig it... :D--> ps... yo Bluzeman I think i owe ya a pt... [This message was edited by TheSongRemainsTheSame on January 06, 2004 at 19:18.]

..."Also the tounge was of men or angels yet we all must have spoken the tounges of angels because no one I know ever spontaniously spoke Russian or any other language of man." Georgio J. Yeah, I always hoped that someone would understand my tongue. What a proof that would be to me if an angel said to me ..."Hey th's angelic. Thus sayeth thy Lourde." Well, i suppose Gab is a little busy proping up the messengers feet when he ahant whalkin on tha whata..." Uhmmm... GJ, you do know there are several dialects of the Brittish tongue... maybe you you were double speaking in tongues... were there any Brits in your twig that knew the old language according to To King James??? :D--> [This message was edited by TheSongRemainsTheSame on January 05, 2004 at 21:21.]

"Anyone here care to admit that they made it up? Come on, set yourself free!" Georgio J. , Yo, GJ, I do admit the first times in excellor sessions while practicing SITWI I did fake a few rounds of Interpretaion upon my turn. I was told how wonderful my Intepretations were. I finally fessed up during the excellor session that I faked it. I thought it was prettty smart of me and humbling to admit in front of about 20 people. The 'leader' said let's try another 'round and he called upon the guy next to me who was a WOW. He SITWI and I distincly remember this part of the interpretation : "...my thoughts are higher than your thoughts and my ways past finding out..." Well I asked to be next. I SIT'd and something was different about the way I intepreted. It seemmed to flow without thought, first drop , second drop and then the faucet was on : "...I am the lord your God. Harken unto me my children... etc..." . I was stunned that it 'really' happened. I asked to go again and another time and said, "I think I got it down." Well that was back in '76. I never made the stuff up again. At that time I was convinced, but looking back and now back here in the present, all I can say is that I don't know that I know that I know anymore. I can not prove it works and that's honest for me. But believe me I can SIT like a house on fire and Interpret and Phrophecy anytime I want. It's too natural a thing for me to fake it. *** "Are you serious Song? I sense a tinge of sarcasm maybe." lindyhopper Well, yes lindy there was a sence of being facetious when I said, "...I guess I have the 'gift of tongues." But other than that, I just wonder from time to time what this deal may be, what it may mean to others here, and if some have changed their minds regarding previous threads enteraining this subject. I have met many a people who have SIT's since childhood, during the teens, or before they were involved in TWI, as well as evidenced here. I SITs before I took the pfal in Spring '76. Of course I was just about everyday with the WOWS since 9/75 and had a voracious apetite for the Word. I had heard them SIT and I & P, and I wanted that. I sat on my bed and asked God to show me the trip. I breathed in and did it. And shut up real quick about it. Informed the WOW's my experience and they wished to hear me. I hesitantly performed, but was encouraged, and it just flowed without repetition. I was told to add letters, which I thought was rather silly, but I did. Then I took the class and of course passed with flying tongues, but the person next to me passed out on the floor. I just kept on according to the Teacher and ignored the the person on the floor because I knew the Class Co (WC Patty E**n) would be there for that kind of thing, and she was. Now the "practice" part becomes a little muddy here. I would just let the 'tongue' go anyway it wished to twirl, but the strange thing in the 'practice' would be the adding of letters or accents just for the versatile element that I could interject with the tongue whirling away under my control. I would sing with it, pray silently while someone was praying for anything at twig. Sunup, in bed for rest to the soul, on the can, in the shower, while people were talking with me. I was in competition with the Apostle Paul his declaration, "...I speak in tongues more than you all..." I SIT's as much as one possibly could. You can bet I am not being sarcastic about those statements. Just the mere mention of the manifestation has thoughts such as: Lightside Let it fly, Malichi Out of your belly shall flow.................RIVERS OF LIVING WATER........ year2027 Hi TheSongRemainsTheSame Yes I still do all the time Galen I certainly do. johniam I SIT all the time. Still works. oldiesman quote:do you still perform , practice S.I.T.? Song, I still SIT after all these years and think that was one of the crown jewels of TWI-1. Thankful for J.E. Stiles and Victor Paul Wierwille for the meticulous teaching... vickles Whats weird is that even after 20 years of that stuff I find myself sit when I least expect it. Its out of habit of so many years of twi. I don't believe in it now. excathedra i myself am not sure. *** So many a thought. I myself am not sure. Plots I thinks ya summarised this episode another thread SIT. Peace & Bring it on any other thoughts anyone has to think regarding this thread... I'm just a simple guy... Rok It Song [This message was edited by TheSongRemainsTheSame on January 05, 2004 at 19:53.]

I would like to express that I do get it and with a few enough tears I do share in the griefs of those who have so much shared their pain a peace they wish they would have never experienced, i would have never known...

I would like to know about that too !!!

Hey, pretend you are in a french restaurant and ordering from the menue.. Pretend you are in Istanbul and need directions Just add and develope your tounge what G O D lays on ya... its real simple... all ya gotta do is move your lips and stammer a little bit... oh my god Have you ever tried to teach someone to SIT and convince them you are convinced tongues of angels or men??? Bring it on...

I know... So very much has been written about S.I.T's here on GSC, but I just had to write about it again. My tongue is so advanced in its fluency. I can make it sound any accent i am familair with and continue its verbal display as long as i wish. If there were to ever be a SIT contest, beleive me, a yodeler, double talker, and auctioneer would be embarassed my talent SIT. Now of course when i interpret, its as long as my tongue in the english language. I just can not imagine what an interpretation would be like for those who are multi-lingual. SIT's is certainly a consideration of thought if it's real or not. I can not tell you how many hours upon hours i have practiced this type of thing. I mean hours of hours and minutes upon minutes of this silent and verbal expression a language i have no understanding ... I guess i have the 'gift of tongues' okay whoops

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acronym Speaking In Tongues Seems when ya perform this type of language gives ya power over things one does not understand that ya hope you do or something like that.. do you still perform , practice S.I.T.? i just did...

Hello MO, B.A.C. = Born Again Christain thank you that clarification that acronym... i'm still trying to figure out why i compared Alice to Mike as well you B.A.C. to Mike. The only thing i can come up with is that this thread involves semi-extreme reaches of thought...>>> waiting for answers and the almighty bruce...

Hey hey, Ya have to trace the dots. Fla is a country connected to the USA, but joined to the Keys, Cuba, Jamaica, and Puerto Rico, and etc, and has the Fountain Of Life in St Augustine. BTW johniam... what city was A L busted? ;)-->

mo, What is a B.A.C.?

I suppose the youngsters were in love and for some reason the lover girl passed beyound the barrior reef and her hubby to be misses her and finds her real in a dream of life in sleep or something like that... *** Who knows why these type of songs are written... could it be loss of heart that keeps on??? Song