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well if it applies to technology then it should apply to everything else like the clothes we wear i think the guy who made a pair of jeans i had was evil it shrunk up way too fast from washing in that evil washing machine and drying on that evil clothesline The crotch of them became WAY too tight had to throw them away and pray and rebuke all the evil they brought to my house which was built with evil tools but it's a nice house

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Yes Mike you decide. Who is Lord. # % ^ * ---------------------------------------------------------------- @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

time to look eastward wth christian believing has it's roots there and they are still there no matter what label it appears under

hmm there's more to that story then meets the eye then what we were taught in twi just what did God mean Deuteronomy 17:14When thou art come unto the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, and shalt possess it, and shalt dwell therein, and shalt say, I will set a king over me, like as all the nations that are about me; 15Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose: one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother. 16But he shall not multiply horses to himself, nor cause the people to return to Egypt, to the end that he should multiply horses: forasmuch as the LORD hath said unto you, Ye shall henceforth return no more that way. 17Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold. 18And it shall be, when he sitteth upon the throne of his kingdom, that he shall write him a copy of this law in a book out of that which is before the priests the Levites: 19And it shall be with him, and he shall read therein all the days of his life: that he may learn to fear the LORD his God, to keep all the words of this law and these statutes, to do them: 20That his heart be not lifted up above his brethren, and that he turn not aside from the commandment, to the right hand, or to the left: to the end that he may prolong his days in his kingdom, he, and his children, in the midst of Israel.

good shot at it sirg, it will be heard in due time while some think that truth is some sort of unmoveable state of mind or an end in itself and thus saith the lord-stop thinking now and like a stop sign saying aawww i found it- i think there was a bumper sticker with that on it "i found it" but in a different sense of the word truth it would be more like a barrier being blown down to see what actually is and is truth and then still that would make you search for other barriers that have stopped one from learning cause really how big is it and how far can the truth be seen shoot i can read the owners manual of my truck and see truth in it

lol sirg... i was just wondering how Danny's cabinet came out or should we go and help him with it cuz if if he don't like it we'll help him rip it out and start over with a new idea and ideas on how he would like it to be i got a hammer and some nails, anyone got some paint?

pfft call the police on something that you can that will wake his foot up

hmmm kind of deep for me but i'll jump in the scripture themselves are not doctrine it's the instruction in righteousness that is cuz how can so much of the scriptures be applied literally and even figuratively as they stand without the guidance provided as promised by the Comforter the scriptures remain dead and useful in only gaining a knowledge of what it says so that they can be brought to remembrance as promised again as we gain the ability to see a spiritual and quite informative living will of God and the Spirit and Christ and i will never ever get into a debate on the trinity-pro or anti or in between it must open itself up to me as well as the rest of the scriptures and more then that but present tense application which is instruction in righteousness that will not go against it is written but further illuminate it in my mind so books serve there purpose in the mental logical progression as well as the spiritual enlightenment that only God can provide and with the help of others who speak the language of the Spirit and all forms of logic and osophys can be explored without the fear of being caught in a trap again because you must keep the freedom to think and decide for yourself

these 7 are summed up in the first line or 2 of each one yet motivations can change thereafter. Putting them in a different perspective accordingly to the individual's own desire as stated in the first one. they are worded well imo but also can held in many hands and minds changing the motivation and desire will propel these 7 into another outcome and then of course what is the outcome or results that is the goal or rather not only the goal but beyond the goal into that which is more then hoped for and becomes more then what it started out to be which is faith to faith basically in a nut shell-me being the nut of course... so as not to imply that we are all nuts anyway :)

that's a lot of stuff and questions you have revvel that is good, questions are always good what has to be explored is the conclusions and not stuck into one perspective or 3 or 4 but to consider that these signs are to the individual who is experiencing this return/coming all these signs will occur to this individual and they will be seen for what they are in truth cause why is so many looking for physical signs when this is a spiritual event something that happens from within and without conception and birth and the presence of Christ so as a thief in the night you may want to consider that the spirit is seed and once in the right enviroment it will bring forth the fruit it's intended to and the coming will soon follow and that man of perdition will melt away with the breath of Christ from conception to birth just as the birth of a baby conception is undetected "as a thief in the night" but soon felt and delivered cuz once conception occurs their will surely be a birth does this mean it will happen to everyone at the same time? or even just one at a time all these things will happen.... or in the process of time in a persons life death and life and yes the old and new testaments tell of many things about Christ and his coming and what will be experienced and the beginning of the church are we not each the temple of the living God? and part of the whole plan of salvation? when does the church begin for a person?

it's all already been done ricky seeing it is another story removing the blinders and barriers it can't be seen looking thru darkness as evident in twi leadership so they couldn't live it if they tryed nothing has been taken away from us we have been given

Romans 3:3For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 4God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged. here's your exception the doomsday people don't want to see this one twi is a doomsday religion/cult-whatever the effect of the faith of God will overide unbelief

there is and will be always controversy gotta learn to get past some of it to take look for yourself and think for yourself

Not quite in those words but yes and no i don't understand it all above earth right, well how far would that be?

oldies... which ones?

Oldiesman funny how i always see you attacking rascal why is that? why not start a thread on your beliefs? i'm sure some would chime in

Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God. 10Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be. 11Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? 12Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh. 13Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 14But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. 15This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. 16For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. 17But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. 18And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

rascal is talking more about here and now though and who to spot and listen to for truth not the end result of a person's life

too literal oldiesman your interpretation counts everyone out it the works that do not yield the fruit and i'll say this-if one person ain't goin to heaven then count me out but i believe all are, and it may be surprising what enters and what does not from the heart of a soul

It seems to me that this is a very personal thing that happens with every man, woman and child. Equating death for all in Adam and life for all in Christ, which would include everyone. And as it talks about Christ within us does it not make sense that this coming is from within? So returning or coming from where? Heaven. And this Heaven is where? Does it not lie within us and around us behind us and before us?

Here is one of the main problems with TWI teachings. They are simply unconscious in the presence of God. :)

just a few right turns a couple of lefts and a few more rights and don't blink cause you'll miss the ramp since the Word of God is no longer written in stone other avenues and schools of thought are to be considered since it is quick and powerful and very sharp it will make a few quiver yet still the Mercy Seat is there and Grace and Love I mean really...when the vail was ripped from top to bottom didn't that open up some new things to consider? didn't that reveal anything that was not seen before? how can we look and see and perceive the things that God has already done for us..... yet even further then what was previously seen in the old as Christ can reach deep into the heart to pull up the good so can she comfort when the bad is burned before the eye and it's gone in a moment, a blink of an eye and it could be quite surprising to witness and live just a little taste of it goes a long way and some have seen, yet stopped and taken what they saw, and put it in stone and killed it's life, spinning a web of doctrines off of it to further it's grip leave it be and let it work it's perfect work and sure we are dust and feelings and human but this is where He chose to live.....in love

kind of like a business - to put it another way the business produces the profit just exploring different ways of thinking so don't anyone get upset now we are free to think right?

in another way of thinking - scripture is given by inspiration of God and profitable for doctrine which turns it around to scripture not being the doctrine itself the ever present now and the unchangable God breathing scripture profiting doctrine which is instruction in righteousness

where is a "return" talked about"