WordWolf

I'm am shocked :( about all the things I'm reading. Most of us were shocked about most of this. My "guts" kept telling me some things were wrong... I never went to the Corps but I heard about things that were tough. Then heard about the sexual abuse. A lot of people who were somewhat closer than little local Bible meetings saw some things that "felt wrong" but they were so convinced that the overall thing was of God that they ignored that and any "still, small voice" that said otherwise. Then a few things about Geer that one day pushed me violently because someone did something he didn't like and I was in his way... Yeah, when the cameras were off, vpw AND cgeer were nutjobs. lcm was one 24/7 because he really thought this was all of God. That's why he got caught where vpw was busy covering his own tracks. He was about money someone told me. Quite a bit of it was about money, and some was about ego. The entire choice of Gartmore House for the initial location was a poor idea. cgeer himself outlined it in his 40-page letter, but he didn't mean to say that because he signed off on the location, which was the cause of most of the site problems that resulted. (Too remote to get help, too remote to get deliveries, etc.) I'm not sure any of his part wasn't about money OR ego. What happened to Gartmore? Where's the money? Who collected it? Houses in Maine are expensive... cgeer was one of the signators to "the Way in Great Britain Ltd", which owned Gartmore House. "They" sold it off and never announced where the money went. I understand why our country co wanted to protect us. We were so young... A lot of legit Christians in twi did their best to insulate the younger Christians from fallout from the Root locales by psychopathic leaders like vpw, cgeer and lcm.

One thread in which it was discussed was "Gartmore Geer." https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/4587-gartmore-geer/

Ok, they encourage "thinking outside the box" and John 14:12. That's straightforward enough. I may watch something, just not tonight.

You misunderstand me. I believe that THEY believe that's what happened- and mended their ways accordingly, with the end result that they improved and live more godly lives. I believe they're posting what they believe happened. I doubt they were factually correct.

I'm for people reviewing their lives and making improvements. I'm highly skeptical of accounts of Near Death Experiences being an accurate portrayal of what is to come. I don't think they reflect a journey to that undiscovered country from which no traveler returns. There's other possibilities, and I'd expect those to reflect the situation more honestly. If the incident encourages the one living through it to mend their ways, great. I wouldn't discourage that no matter WHAT motivated the change.

Maybe nobody on this thread saw "Moulin Rouge" or "Blazing Saddles."

When it's completely obvious to me I have no chance to recognize the song and artist, it's no loss to disqualify myself by looking it up. I wouldn't have the answer if you posted the entire lyrics and the artist's initials. Seriously, I've never heard this. And I used to listen to Top 40 until Celine Dion's "My Heart Will Go On" started playing hourly- and I quit top 40 cold turkey and listened to rock stations exclusively from that point on. (No, this is not any kind of clue.)

Yes. November 18, 1978, fo be specific. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown

Taking at face value your offering of 2 hours of video for others, I have to ask the obvious- after pointing out the obvious. Before we just listen to 2 hours of YT video, we'd need a bit more to go on about WHY we should listen to 2 hours of YT video. What was it about, other than the title? What was the approach? What was the main assertion? What about it convinced you this was well-presented? Those of us who have SOME interest in the subject would want a bit more before killing 2 hours of video posted by a total stranger.

Not for me. *checks* Never heard of this song, nor the artist. I know plenty of 70s songs that have aired SINCE the 70s, but if they haven't, I haven't got a chance. I was listening to top 40 in the 70s.

Other than the previous clues I dropped, Mrs Wolf said to mention "THE GREEN FAIRY" (which is a nickname for something.) She got it from the first 3 names plus a guess- then again, she's been around me and hearing what made me think of this character/real person. For the curious, Peter Sellers played a character who dressed as him, and Mel Brooks played a character who intentionally did an "impression" of him.

Peter Sellers (sorta) Règis Royer Mel Brooks (sorta) (I didn't think this would be so hard to win.... )

"Privilege"..by any chance, was that straight from Rozilla? That's her standard response to complaints that thinks are done wrong. "You have many privileges with this that can easily be taken away." (Don't like how we're instructing you to do things? We can task you with making bricks without straw....) Subtle THREATS as a management style. Not what you'd expect from a religious organization...

We know he was interested in buying up all the adjoining farms. If he'd focused more twi-specific activities around NK, it would probably be de facto twi territory if not de jure. (Not legally theirs, but theirs in practice.) I think he had his sights set on bigger areas, mostly due to growth that H33fn3r and D00p had started- especially since he didn't have to lift a finger and was not expected to. He effectively claimed all those people on both coasts without any personal effort- which is what he wanted all along.

No. Not a Spaniard, and he wasn't painted as a nobleman in any version of him that made it to the theaters.

Bridget Moynihan Lord of War Ian Holm

Name the character. Jose Ferrer Vincent Menjou Cortes John Leguizamo (No, this one should not be easy, but I thought I'd try a short round in between some others.)

It's Raf's turn.

I'm thinking this was an Avengers movie, and one I've seen. "Infinity War?"

I believe in miraculous healings. I've seen miraculous healings. That doesn't mean I just swallow every claim I hear as legit. I've also heard stories that were completely made up about miraculous healings. At the very least, this story sounds "massaged." Something is exaggerated, or something important is being left out. If you want my opinion, I'm just guessing from what little you've said. If I HAVE to jump to a conclusion based on that little information, I'd have to say I'm disinclined to believe him. The entire story may be made up. Also, part of the story may be true, but large parts may be made up. This is 2019. The story took place about 8 years ago, in the US in the 21st century. If this story is 100% true, there's documentation of it SOMEWHERE. If this happened as you claim you were told, this was local news at the very least, or news around the hospital where it happened. As it is, it sounds a lot like vpw's claims about how he did lots of miraculous healings- but all in India where none of us could check into it (and where nobody begged him to return to do more miraculous healings ASAP.) Some people have this thing about inventing a fascinating past. Some people get a thing like that when they get older. I have no guarantee either happened here, but I have some suspicions about that.

I don't feel called to do this. If you feel called to do this, more power to you. Especially if you're not being pushy or confrontational. Sometimes someone needs a little reminder that God loves them at that moment- and later they need something bigger. The small moves are as important as the big shows, no matter what people like twi's lords over God's heritage think.

Hello, RW67! I hope you enjoy your visit. You're certainly welcome to stay. We have information to answer all sorts of questions, and we socialize as well. (Scroll down to the Games forum to see us hanging out.) I had some thoughts about some things you said, I hope you don't mind me responding to them. "I was first introduced to TWI in the early/mid-2000's in Bowling Green, OH at BGSU. I was invited to attend fellowship / bible study, but had no idea it was TWI. They didn't seem to like to call it that, or a church, etc. I noticed a lot of the people I was meeting were only close friends with other members. They had friends, but their closest friends were all members. " The time says a lot about the interactions. In the 70s into the early 80s, things were pretty much in their heyday at twi. Once we hit 1985, we got into "the fog years." In 1985, vpw died, and some leaders tried to speak up about abuses and corruption. That didn't get any results, so they took off. lcm- vpw's successor and President of the group at the time- described himself as wandering around in a fog for a few years. Around 1989, lcm drew a line in the sand, and demanded a personal oath of loyalty to himself from each twi leader. (One phoned him to say that it sounded like that was what he was demanding, and lcm more than confirmed it.) This resulted in about 80% of the group's leaders leaving or being kicked out for refusal to swear this oath, and about 80% of the group that was around a year before left with them, leaving twi a fraction of what it was before (20% and dropping.) lcm spent the next few years ineptly flailing around and thinking any fool thought he had was directly from God Almighty- leading to orders that made the group bleed money and hemorrhage more members. Eventually, he was kicked out by his wife and rfr for a number of reasons, most of them kept secret, and none of them actually explained to the rank-and-file. (They found out anyway by coming here.) The 2000s were pretty much the dry toast version of twi. rfr has no personality, and can't bring in someone WITH personality because she'd live in fear they would replace her. So, the place gets less skilled and less relevant, and more boring, every year. So, the 2000s was rfr era, micro-managing at hq, and boredom everywhere, while rfr lived off the ministry. twi'ers, by the 1990s, pretty much only associated with outsiders to recruit them or as needed, and socializing was kept to a minimum. By the 2000s, outside socializing was disapproved of, but some people flew under the radar. I think it's fascinating that they never wanted to use their group's name. I've seen that before, and, yes, it's a warning sign you're dealing with a cult, or a scam. But I repeat myself. "I noticed a couple things though. I felt like some of them didn't fully agree with everything, but they were too concerned about screwing up their group of friends all associated with TWI. " Involvement with twi, for much of its existence, can be characterized by what insiders are afraid of. They're always afraid of being kicked out and losing their only friends, their family, and what they're told is their only hope of pleasing God. So, they swallowed their disagreements and were able to stay in. "I remember "messing around" with a girl who was very involved in TWI. She was paranoid people in her "branch" would find out, so anything we did had to appear like it was innocent. The funny thing is, I messed around with another girl in TWI also, while one of my friends did as well. It was all the same. They were all doing things that went against their cohorts, and they were all keeping it secret from each other, even though they were all doing the same thing. " An ex-Mormon once told me a joke about how inviting a Mormon along to fish will mean they will drink all the beer- unless you invite TWO Mormons along, in which case neither of them will drink ANY beer because they'll be scrutinized by each other and unable to have a drink. twi seems to have developed to that point as well. Want any fun? Better have it in secret. "Eventually a guy I was working with at BGSU invited me to come along. It spooked me off though. They acted very open in public, but in the fellowship, it seemed like the views were a lot more strict and not as accepting of traditional beliefs. Then they spoke in tongues. That did it for me. I thought they were freaks and hypocrites. I didn't believe that BS. I remember feeling like they were watching me though. It always felt cult-like, but without being one of those obvious cults. They could plausibly deny being a cult through the ministry but the whole structure and conditions have all the hallmarks of being a cult." Being a cult makes it easier to pass for a cult. :) When socializing/ "witnessing", the group will try to pretend they're fun, alive, relevant. Once you show up at a meeting, you'll find it's more boring than any church you left (or, at best, just as boring.) Everyone there is scrutinized, and the meetings are rigid and dry. It amazes me how often twi'ers will refuse to advise people about "mannies" before they attend their first meeting (speaking in tongues, etc.) That backfires when people have no chance to get used to the idea before seeing it. But it makes sense if you don't see PEOPLE but only see recruits, and only see them as RESOURCES. BTW, whether "mannies" are of God or faked in some way is a subject we've discussed here a number of times, with people on both sides of the issue. (I was on the "it's real" side before the discussions, but changed positions when the other side made too much sense and had things to say for which I could not find a sensible refutation. But either position is permitted here- this is not a cult, after all. ;) ) I hope you enjoy your stay here, for however long that is.

A) "Liberty's Kids." B) "Where In the World Is Carmen Sandiego?" was the video game that inspired the game show. (It also inspired the game show "Where in Time is Carmen Sandiego?") The game show inspired the cartoon series "Where on Earth is Carmen Sandiego?", Rita Moreno provided the voice for Carmen Sandiego in the cartoon. (One drawing somewhere showed Carmen Sandiego meeting Waldo, and both thinking "Where have you been all my life?") D) "Hector Heathcote." It's almost forgotten, except by people who were fans during the few airings. It's been so long that those people remember little enough. (Several episodes are on YT, I discovered the other day.) BTW, some sources online claim HH himself was a time traveler. No, he was just some guy living in what was his present. His present changed based on the plot, so his continuity was anachronistic. He and his dog Winston stayed the same no matter when and where they were. Someone said the claim he was a time traveler was an attempt to capture some Peabody/Sherman fans as fans for HH. I suspect it was just an attempt to make his continuity make sense, along with dim memories failing someone. The first episode that aired was his attempt to become a "minuteman", and there is no suggestion that he's anything but a local man trying to make the cut- contrary to time traveler claims. C) "Histeria!" This show had some actual history in between lots of gags. It was made by the Animaniacs team, included many of the same voice actors, and hit the markets alongside Animaniacs when it aired. In fact, where I'm posting from, they both only aired together until fairly recently, so it was easy to confuse one for the other here.

I would accept any of these as a correct answer, on the grounds that 2 are close enough, and the other named something I already said I would accept. I will explain. (So, CORRECT ANSWER, YOUR TURN.)

That's the movie. The references to singing should have been some sort of clue. Lasparri ended up trying to sing onstage, and an audience member threw an apple at him while the crowd booed. Groucho played Otis B, Driftwood, and Sig Ruman (Sigfried Rumann changed his credits once WW 2 started and Germans were no more liked than Italians) played Gottlieb, who represented the NY Opera Company. Chico's story of how the 3 aviators came to America (they were impersonating the aviators) is rather well-known. The 2 best-known scenes are the contract ("The Party of the First Part in this contract shall be known as The Party of the First Part..") and the stateroom scene (crowding all the people into a tiny bedroom, we didn't get to that scene.)