WordWolf

I don't think we're going BACK, either. I believe we're going forward. I Corinthians 2:19 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. All of this history just to go back? I consider that inconsistent. (Of course, I may be wrong.)

He was rather clear and unambiguous about in his his 3-part tape set, "A Pivot Point in History. " Tape 2 said it twice, rather plainly. "If God put Adam in the Garden foreknowing, foreordaining Adam would sin, then he foreordained Adam's fall. If God did that, there would have to be darkness in Him." "If God foreknew-or forced or tracked or whatever you'd like to put as the word there" . He conflated foreknowing a thing (previous knowledge) with foreordaining a thing (forcing it to come to pass) twice right there. BTW, cg didn't do sns tapes, he did GWT tapes, remember? The relevance was this- when unable to distinguish between relatively simple concepts like "foreknow" and "foreordain", they slammed into the Time Magazine question I mentioned before. According to Time Magazine- which is NOT a reputed theological agency- it is possible to reconcile any 2 sayings but it is impossible to reconcile all three of the following: A) God is All-Knowing B) God is Loving C) Evil exists. So, both js and cg resolved this one by deprecating God's Omniscience. I understand Time Magazine's staff being unable to unsnarl this one, but for any supposed Christian teacher to be unable-and continue to teach- is irresponsible, What makes this particularly galling is that a pair of 20-year olds were able to completely refute cg's "position paper" (his tape set) to the degree that he offered neither opposition to their reply nor hostility to it. (He understood full well how completely he was refuted-by people who would really have rather let the older folk do it and not step in themselves.) Having to actually put forth a Biblical argument for God being Omniscient was entirely due to cg (and, apparently, js) putting forth the opposite, and a lot of drones just soaking that up like sponges and immediately turning around and teaching it. That there are Christians not from ex-twi circles who are unable to work through this was made clear by the necessity of other Christians to address it- with books like the one I mentioned. "Open Theism" flat-out denies the Omniscience of God because they think what cg said- an All-Knowing God who does force Himself into EVERY situation would be an unjust God. I would argue exactly the opposite- that a God who forced Himself into all sorts of situations where He was not requested would be unjust. cg's illustration of how this works was an analysis of Genesis 3, where he suggested that God Almighty legitimately didn't know what was happening and had happened, and His questions showed Him trying to find out what happened. I believe the verses show the opposite- and any parent who has had to talk through a punishment with a child can easily see how it worked, let alone anyone who can compare relevant verses about each moment in Genesis 3. cg used phrases like "WHEN ALL OF THIS CAME TO GOD'S ATTENTION" to explain what God didn't know and when He didn't know it-according to cg.

I'll get back to this shortly- and before I forget, what I want to start with is this "process theology" business, which cg espoused with his "Pivot Point in History" thing, and some responses to that. It was actually espoused, with different names, by some people outside twi circles who liked a fuzzy, accessible God and were willing to demote Him to get Him there. The book "The Trivialization of God" (which I've never read) seems to have addressed that issue quite handily. I also addressed some of this in the thread "What Does God Know?" at length. Among other things, cg conflated "foreknow" (to know ahead of time) with "foreordain" (to force to happen ahead of time) and concluded that he was rejecting the former since he didn't accept the latter. I accept not everyone can understand some of the issues he raised- but if he didn't then he has no business trying to put himself forth as an authority on the subject.

Catching up on LoT in the next day or so. I liked the "Raiders" episode, and Mrs Wolf and I kept taking turns catching stuff (I spotted the cameraman with the beard immediately, and giggled when his first name was mentioned, I caught the "wilhelm" and so on-she caught the trash compactor scene before I did... We both missed the 3 years he won awards as a salesman were 1977, 1980 and 1983.) I thought the Justice League Lite also had Elongated Man and Zatanna. Unless there's a new "Legion", he was supposedly a kid of Xavier's- as in, Charles Xavier was the Dad. He was unable to control his mental powers, and ended up with multiple personalities (DID). Later, he killed Xavier and that started the "Age of Apocalypse" storyline- which was ended with the previous timeline restored after someone used the M'Krann Crystal to fix things. (All of that's as I remember it, I may have made an error but I care too little to doublecheck it.)

That's it. Sorry if it was too easy.

Next one. In this movie, a secret agent works alongside an unconventional comedian to outwit a plan to use a space shuttle in a global genocide plan.

Platoon Willem Dafoe Spider-Man

Sounds like it could be "Sling-Blade-Runner."

Not that I know of. He was "Uncle" Vernon Dursley in a set of movies. He was also in Sleepy Hollow Jeffrey Jones Ferris Buehler's Day Off

No, it's an actor who appeared in a movie series and some other movies, including "King Ralph."

"Hold it! You'd never last five minutes in a New York subway!" *WHAM* *WHAM* "Now, THAT's how it's done!"

Peter O'Toole King Ralph Richard Griffiths

MIB 1 , aka Men In Black

That's him. he's sure been in a lot of stuff. Several of the roles I know him for, I can't name. Randy Grainger was on the Odd Couple, and the Radar Operators were from the Austin Powers movies. And so on. See you all in 7-8 days!

twi's not the only group to use meetings in homes. However, they do serve both the purpose of "we're not spending a nickel on anything we don't have to-all the money stays at the top" and "we're in someone's home, crossing their personal boundaries", and that's for all sorts of groups. Of course, meeting in a living room can also be done innocently and socially, but that wasn't twi's way. It WAS the way some people did it in twi, but that was almost an accidental by-product of the process, like drawing in real Christians into the web of exploiters and con artists.

Mark Wedloe Roo John Dexter Slinky Lloyd Davis Michael Thorpe Johnny Stransel Billy Taft Robby Fielding Jody Larson Tim Oliver Willie Sharpe Randy Grainger Balok Sy Liebergot Radar Operator Johnson Radar Operator Peters Tom Miller Dick Mitchell Emmanuel Grayson Constable Sanders

Mark Wedloe Roo John Dexter Slinky Lloyd Davis Michael Thorpe Johnny Stransel Billy Taft Robby Fielding Jody Larson Tim Oliver Willie Sharpe

"I hate Illinois Nazis."

It's a busy season. I'll be out of touch next week. He's probably offline doing other stuff THIS week-or at least this minute.

Jason Patric Lost Boys Keifer Sutherland

"Superman-the Movie." Lois to Superman when he catches her in mid-air. "Easy Miss-I've got you."

Mark Wedloe Roo John Dexter Slinky Lloyd Davis Michael Thorpe

i'm up? Ok, I was thinking of something before, let me remember.....

*wild swing* The Truman Show??

*really wild swing* Alice in Wonderland????