WordWolf

What do I think? First of all, I think I wouldn't take Bart Ehrlich too seriously unless I was looking for excuses to give up being a Christian. The man's view about the resurrection is that it didn't happen and was fictional, and that's just to start with. I consider people far too quick to consider a matter to ONLY reflect their point of view and close a matter before actually reviewing things. In his case, far too quick to conclude something is a problem with the text, and never a problem in his understanding of what's going on. Second of all, I think the view towards what's happening isn't taking into account what happens. Human nature has not changed in 2000 years. People hear what they want to hear and ignore or alter the rest. ("Abraham looked to my day and saw it." "How dare you say you saw Abraham?") That is now, and that was then as well. Nicodemus didn't quibble over a word, he quibbled over a concept- that of a man his age, a grown man, being born. I looked this over in English, Greek, and Aramaic, and the same point existed no matter where I looked. New King James Version John 3:3-4 "3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” 4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” NIV John 3:3-4 3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.” 4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!” NASB John 3:3-4 3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” 4 Nicodemus *said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born, can he?” Nicodemus, in each case, objected PRIMARILY to "a man being born when he is old." When discussing how that supposedly would work, he constructed (the Straw Man Fallacy is not a recent invention) a ridiculous scenario so he could object to it. For a man to be born when he is old, a man would have to re-enter his mother's womb to be born a second time. How silly. So, Nicodemus can blithely dismiss Jesus' saying since it's obviously nonsense, and he can go home and forget the whole thing. ================================== According to Nicodemus' thinking, what was the word (phrase?) Jesus used with "born" there? Was it "again", "from above", or something else? Nicodemus DIDN'T LISTEN. Nicodemus heard "man born" and flipped out on that. Whatever else Jesus said was irrelevant. I'll demonstrate. I'll swap in a placeholder, nonsense word and Nicodemus' objection sounds just as sensible and just as silly. John 3:3-4 KJV (with nonsense word) 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born splunge, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? In that exchange, the meaning of the word "splunge" is irrelevant to Nicodemus' concerns, because he's objecting to a man being born. The same would apply with the gender-neutral examples of "one" in the versions above, but in 2014 it lacks the same impact, so I used the KJV in an example because the "man" is closer to what Nicodemus was hearing and thinking. (If you really need me to, I can do the same with the other versions, but you can do it yourself in your head easily enough.)

No.

There's 3 movies. Think a minute. Are you sure you don't even have the THIRD movie? Mrs Wolf glanced over and got the third movie before any actors was mentioned. (She hasn't seen the first 2 from the round, and she hasn't even heard of the first one from the round-but you have, at some point.)

That was a shock, considering I would have thought he was one of the more butch actors of the bunch of guys, and not the sole wuss. Judging from Bob Anderson's comments, I found myself sorry I'd never get to see a movie with Danny Kaye matching swords with a particular action lead.

Here's another TRIPLE. A sruggling musician sells his soul for stardom to Harry Tophet- then later ends up trying to petition a Higher Authority to re-negotiate for him. He ends up trapped in an elevator with a handful of sinners who all begin to die mysteriously- is Harry Tophet secretly among the passengers? He's probably not the young attorney who's been facing a similar deal with his new boss and has ended up in the same elevator.... It stars GEORGE BURNS, AL PACINO and a bunch of people you've never heard of. (Chris Messina, Bokeem Woodbine, Matt Craven, Joshua Peace, Zoie Palmer, Logan Marshall-Green, Geoffrey Arend, Jenny O'Hara..)

"Hector Savage. From Detroit. Ex-boxer. His real name was Joey Chicago." "Oh, yeah. He fought under the name of Kid Minneapolis." "I saw Kid Minneapolis fight once. In Cincinnati." "No you're thinking of Kid New York. He fought out of Philly." "He was killed in the ring in Houston. By Tex Colorado. You know, the Arizona Assassin." "Yeah, from Dakota. I don't remember it was North or South." "North. South Dakota was his brother. From West Virginia." "You sure know your boxing." "All I know is never bet on the white guy."

Cool Hand Luke George Kennedy Naked Gun: From the Files of Police Squad!

How confident are you that the 6'1" actor's character was shortest rather than 5th shortest of 9?

That's it. And you all should sit and watch this movie again. I did mention he's also a singer. And I added "etc" since I don't know if he has a reputation as a dancer.

I agree with all of that. (Including that your name is George.)

Here's another TRIPLE. A sruggling musician sells his soul for stardom to Harry Tophet- then later ends up trying to petition a Higher Authority to re-negotiate for him. He ends up trapped in an elevator with a handful of sinners who all begin to die mysteriously- is Harry Tophet secretly among the passengers? He's probably not the young attorney who's been facing a similar deal with his new boss and has ended up in the same elevator.... (Hey, this really would have livened up the second movie, which isn't very old but isn't very well-known. It has been on television more than a little, at least on cable.)

"Armageddon"?

Basil Rathbone made a career as an actor and a fencer who acted... but for one movie, he was unable to keep up with the blazing-fast blade-work of the novice he was facing off against...so for part of their fight sequence, Basil Rathbone had a stunt double performing the dueling scenes for him. Granted, Rathbone was 63 at the time, but he was still quite surprised how the other actor was such a natural-and so fast. It was especially shocking considering the late actor's extensive reputation always was-and is- for his many COMEDIC talents, (and storytelling skills) and it's hard to picture him doing action-hero stuff with no double- yet, that's what happened. Among the actors in this comedic musical: John Carradine Alan Napier Glynis Johns Angela Lansbury Basil Rathbone Hermine's Midgets (ensemble) "I'm proud to recall that at no time at all and with no other recourses but my own resources, with firm application and determination... I made a fool of myself!" "After the dust had cleared, half the cast had a beard. And I'm the one, as you can see, for whom the bell tolls merrily." "Rules of Chivalry be hanged! Ravenhurst, take that nincompoop, and knight that nincompoop by noon tomorrow!" " Why be gloomy, cut off thy nose to spite thy face? Listen to me. A nose is hard to replace." "After months of pleading for just this kind of action, what makes you think that anybody - anybody could make me reveal the identity of my confederate?" "Because they'd put you on the rack, crack your every bone, scald you with hot oil, and remove the nails off your fingers with flaming hot pincers." "I'd... like to withdraw the question." "You'll never outfox The Fox!" "When do we start?" "Tonight." "Good. I’d like to get in, get on with it, get it over with, and get out. Get it?" "Got it." "Good." "First, plan one. Are you sure you can dispose of my lords Brockhurst, Finsdale, and Pertry? "Are they married?" "Yes…" "Order flowers for the widows. Get it?" "Got it." "Good." "Dire news, sire! I've just come from the forest. The child lives!" "The child lives?!" "Aye, sire." "How know you that this is the royal child and not some outrageous impostor?" "Because sire, disguised as a member of their group, I saw him. And I can assure you that like his royal ancestors, and on the same spot as his royal ancestors, he bears the royal birthmark." "The... purple pimpernel?" "The purple pimpernel." "I am Giacomo, Giacomo, my fame before me rings --" "Sir Giacomo! You should be in armor! And you, maid Jean, in the stands." "If I die, just pray that I die bravely." "You'll not die, you'll not have to fight him. Griswold dies as he drinks the toast." "Listen. I have put a pellet of poison in one of the vessels. "Which one?" "The one with the figure of a pestle." "The vessel with the pestle?" "Yes. But you don't want the vessel with the pestle, you want the chalice from the palace!" "I-I don't want the vessel with the pestle, I want the chalice from the what?" "The chalice from the palace!" "Hm?" "It's a little crystal chalice with a figure of a palace. "Th-the chalice from the palace have the pellet with the poison? "No, the pellet with the poison's in the vessel with the pestle." "Listen carefully. The pellet with the poison's in the vessel with the pestle, the chalice from the palace has the brew that is true." "I've got it! I've got it. The pellet with the poison's in the vessel with the pestle, the chalice from the palace has the brew that is true, right?" "Right. But there's been a change. They broke the chalice from the palace." "They broke the chalice from the palace?" "And replaced it with a flagon." "Flagon." "With a figure of a dragon." "Flagon with a dragon." "Right." "Did you put the pellet with the poison in the vessel with the pestle?" "No! The pellet with the poison's in the flagon with the dragon, the vessel with the pestle has the brew that is true!" "The pellet with the poison's in the flagon with the dragon, the vessel with the pestle has the brew that is true." "Just remember that." "...The pellet with the poisle is in the flaggle with the chalice...." "...The poison's in the dragon with the pestle...." "...Eh, ah, the chazzle is in the poisley with the plellice with the plan- eh, plaglice..." "The pellet with the dragon's in the pestle with the poi-" "The pezley with the poisle is..." "The dragon with the poisle's in the pestle..." "Pazzle with the fleegle..." "The poisley with the plazzle is the plazzle with the ploizle... The chalice with the pa... the flagon with the cha... the floizle with the flagon is the chalice with the poison..."

My first exposure to him was as a storyteller of children's tales, not an actor, singer, etc. Large numbers of people who've seen it would recognize instantly the NEXT set of quotes, even if it's been DECADES since they'd seen the movie last... And no, nothing by Mark Twain, nothing by William Shakespeare.

Basil Rathbone made a career as an actor and a fencer who acted... but for one movie, he was unable to keep up with the blazing-fast blade-work of the novice he was facing off against...so for part of their fight sequence, Basil Rathbone had a stunt double performing the dueling scenes for him. Granted, Rathbone was 63 at the time, but he was still quite surprised how the other actor was such a natural-and so fast. It was especially shocking considering the late actor's extensive reputation always was-and is- for his many COMEDIC talents, (and storytelling skills) and it's hard to picture him doing action-hero stuff with no double- yet, that's what happened. Among the actors in this comedic musical: John Carradine Alan Napier Glynis Johns Angela Lansbury Basil Rathbone Hermine's Midgets (ensemble) "I'm proud to recall that at no time at all and with no other recourses but my own resources, with firm application and determination... I made a fool of myself!" "After the dust had cleared, half the cast had a beard. And I'm the one, as you can see, for whom the bell tolls merrily." "Rules of Chivalry be hanged! Ravenhurst, take that nincompoop, and knight that nincompoop by noon tomorrow!" " Why be gloomy, cut off thy nose to spite thy face? Listen to me. A nose is hard to replace." "After months of pleading for just this kind of action, what makes you think that anybody - anybody could make me reveal the identity of my confederate?" "Because they'd put you on the rack, crack your every bone, scald you with hot oil, and remove the nails off your fingers with flaming hot pincers." "I'd... like to withdraw the question." "You'll never outfox The Fox!" "When do we start?" "Tonight." "Good. I’d like to get in, get on with it, get it over with, and get out. Get it?" "Got it." "Good." "First, plan one. Are you sure you can dispose of my lords Brockhurst, Finsdale, and Pertry? "Are they married?" "Yes…" "Order flowers for the widows. Get it?" "Got it." "Good." "Dire news, sire! I've just come from the forest. The child lives!" "The child lives?!" "Aye, sire." "How know you that this is the royal child and not some outrageous impostor?" "Because sire, disguised as a member of their group, I saw him. And I can assure you that like his royal ancestors, and on the same spot as his royal ancestors, he bears the royal birthmark." "The... purple pimpernel?" "The purple pimpernel." "I am Giacomo, Giacomo, my fame before me rings --" "Sir Giacomo! You should be in armor! And you, maid Jean, in the stands." "If I die, just pray that I die bravely." "You'll not die, you'll not have to fight him. Griswold dies as he drinks the toast."

Ah. The Melanie Griffith thing rang a bell. "Something Wild Wild West."

"Space Cowboys"?

No. It was not a buddy comedy of any buddies, either.

No. Not even a little bit. Basil Rathbone made a career as an actor and a fencer who acted... but for one movie, he was unable to keep up with the blazing-fast blade-work of the novice he was facing off against...so for part of their fight sequence, Basil Rathbone had a stunt double performing the dueling scenes for him. Granted, Rathbone was 63 at the time, but he was still quite surprised how the other actor was such a natural-and so fast. It was especially shocking considering the late actor's extensive reputation always was-and is- for his many COMEDIC talents, (and storytelling skills) and it's hard to picture him doing action-hero stuff with no double- yet, that's what happened. Among the actors in this comedic musical: John Carradine Alan Napier Glynis Johns Angela Lansbury Basil Rathbone Hermine's Midgets (ensemble) "I'm proud to recall that at no time at all and with no other recourses but my own resources, with firm application and determination... I made a fool of myself!" "After the dust had cleared, half the cast had a beard. And I'm the one, as you can see, for whom the bell tolls merrily." "Rules of Chivalry be hanged! Ravenhurst, take that nincompoop, and knight that nincompoop by noon tomorrow!" " Why be gloomy, cut off thy nose to spite thy face? Listen to me. A nose is hard to replace." "After months of pleading for just this kind of action, what makes you think that anybody - anybody could make me reveal the identity of my confederate?" "Because they'd put you on the rack, crack your every bone, scald you with hot oil, and remove the nails off your fingers with flaming hot pincers." "I'd... like to withdraw the question." "You'll never outfox The Fox!" "When do we start?" "Tonight." "Good. I’d like to get in, get on with it, get it over with, and get out. Get it?" "Got it." "Good." "First, plan one. Are you sure you can dispose of my lords Brockhurst, Finsdale, and Pertry? "Are they married?" "Yes…" "Order flowers for the widows. Get it?" "Got it." "Good."

Totally not, nor a Disney flick. I remember that one, also. However, that was a children's movie. This one was a family movie. (And really, has universal appeal and should be re-watched.)

That's the one.

Basil Rathbone made a career as an actor and a fencer who acted... but for one movie, he was unable to keep up with the blazing-fast blade-work of the novice he was facing off against...so for part of their fight sequence, Basil Rathbone had a stunt double performing the dueling scenes for him. Granted, Rathbone was 63 at the time, but he was still quite surprised how the other actor was such a natural-and so fast. It was especially shocking considering the late actor's extensive reputation always was-and is- for his many COMEDIC talents, (and storytelling skills) and it's hard to picture him doing action-hero stuff with no double- yet, that's what happened. Among the actors in this comedic musical: John Carradine Alan Napier Glynis Johns Angela Lansbury Basil Rathbone Hermine's Midgets (ensemble) "I'm proud to recall that at no time at all and with no other recourses but my own resources, with firm application and determination... I made a fool of myself!" "After the dust had cleared, half the cast had a beard. And I'm the one, as you can see, for whom the bell tolls merrily." "Rules of Chivalry be hanged! Ravenhurst, take that nincompoop, and knight that nincompoop by noon tomorrow!" " Why be gloomy, cut off thy nose to spite thy face? Listen to me. A nose is hard to replace."

Which means it's RG's turn.

You left out the action scenes. XD At some point, you almost-certainly have seen this movie. (If not, you should have, and should now.) I left out the actor in the title role, but I've described him. (BTW, Mrs Wolf figured this one out already.)

Basil Rathbone made a career as an actor and a fencer who acted... but for one movie, he was unable to keep up with the blazing-fast blade-work of the novice he was facing off against...so for part of their fight sequence, Basil Rathbone had a stunt double performing the dueling scenes for him. Granted, Rathbone was 63 at the time, but he was still quite surprised how the other actor was such a natural-and so fast. It was especially shocking considering the late actor's extensive reputation always was-and is- for his many COMEDIC talents, (and storytelling skills) and it's hard to picture him doing action-hero stuff with no double- yet, that's what happened. Among the actors in this comedic musical: John Carradine Alan Napier Glynis Johns Angela Lansbury Basil Rathbone Hermine's Midgets (ensemble)