WordWolf

That's it.

"You have all overbid."

There's 2 correct answers, and I will accept either. "Blunt the knives, bend the forks Smash the bottles and burn the corks Chip the glasses and crack the plates" "Cut the cloth, tread on the fat Leave the bones on the bedroom mat Pour the milk on the pantry floor Splash the wine on every door! Dump the crocks in a boiling bowl Pound them up with a thumping pole When you're finished if they are whole Send them down the hall to roll!"

I think you've brought up a very good point. I once had someone like that insult me because I refused to just rattle off an answer to something I didn't know- instead, I said I was going to take it home and look some things up. He, on the other hand, was convinced his no-pause, memorized answer-in-a-can that was handed to him by his organization was correct. BTW, he wasn't correct, and a much slower read actually would have shown that. I've often found that coming back to something later means I'm more likely to have a more intelligent response, and have to eat my words less. In fact, if given sufficient time, I can come up with some rather neat, correct answers if I already have all the information I need.

"The Neighbors"?

"YOU'RE Abe Frohman? The Sausage King of Chicago?"

"Meatballs of Flame"?

How well can you trust a group that's always changing their name- as if they don't WANT people to learn about them? Momentus has also been known as "Breakthrough" and "Lifespring." What their current name is, I don't know, since they went through both of those already and are using something else. http://www.equip.org/articles/breakthroughmomentus/ http://psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Lifespring "One Lifespring follower, Sue Hawkes, started a similar program, called Vistar, but it was unsuccessful. Lifespring training, once offered under a unified corporate umbrella, now appears in several guises world-wide delivered by differently-named companies. Some of these companies offering the training programs once offered by or based on Lifespring include Momentus; Insight Seminars; Resource Realizations; The Great Life Foundation, Visionworks; The Impact Trainings; Harmony Institute; Spectrum Trainings; Phoenix2000, Vistar/Serendipidity; Summit Education; Personal Dynamics; Choicenter; Millennium 3; Asia Works; Argentina Works; Essential Education; Rising Star Communications; Humanus Institute; and Wings Seminars All sorts of different names, all to stay under the radar. Oh, that mine enemy had stuck to one name at a time! Matthew 18:5-7 King James Version (KJV) 5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. 6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. 7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh! Luke 17:1-3 King James Version (KJV) 17 Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come! 2 It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones. 3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.

Two possible answers. A) The "experts" are experts at their organization's THEOLOGY, and ASSUME the Bible matches up to it, so actually reading it is an afterthought. Their theology and their understanding is based on preconceived notions they were taught, not the Bible. (Hey, it's affected me, too. One day, I felt a lightbulb go off when I realized I was thinking that the 2 resurrections spoken of in the future will be mirrors of each other and identical in almost every way- whether or not the descriptions of them actually mirror each other. Once I realized the word "damnation" in one verse is commonly translated "judgement" most other places-and probably should be translated "judgement" everywhere- I realized I was looking at them through preconceived notions based on what I was taught.) So, they are faced with verses they THINK they understand, but actually don't. and can't answer them because their answers are based on what someone said and not the actual verse. Ever hear someone use Psalm 2:8 as a missionary verse? vpw claimed they did- and one day, I heard someone do it! Psalm 2:8 8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. I got the other people with me, who were visiting that church, giggling when I showed them the verse that was cited- along with the verse that followed. Psalm 2:8-9 8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. 9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Those aren't missionary verses. The other possibility is that some of them KNOW it's wrong, but WANT to read them that way, because it's in their own best interests to scare the congregation, and frighten them into "circling the wagons." They WANT to frighten Christians because it doesn't help gain new Christians, but scared Christians are too scared to leave the congregation. (We saw that in twi, who still uses it. Others used it long before vpw ever did.) Perhaps different preachers do it for different things- some with good intentions but clumsy execution, and others intending to scare the flock into flocking together.

I'm a little unsure about one title. Is it "Meatballs of Fire"?

Ok, seriously, I hoped we'd remind someone else. This was "the Three Amigos." In fact, this very scene came up with someone when I was explaining the difference between "pletho" and "pleroo". BTW, there was an issue of the comic book "El Diablo" where someone was setting up piñatas, and someone else said they had a lot of them, and a third person said they would even say he had a plethora of piñatas.

....Yes, El Guapo.

Forgive me, El Guapo. I know that I, Jefe, do not have your superior intellect and education. But, could it be that-once again- you are angry at something else, and are looking to take it out on me?

In this instance, I think what we were taught was correct. They believed and were saved. What they didn't do was demonstrate any kind of sign-until someone else stepped in. And yes, if someone's a degraded dirt-bag then is saved, but never changes his thinking and conduct, he's still a degraded dirt-bag. Like Simon. Acts 19:11-16 11 And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul: 12 So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them. 13 Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth. 14 And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so. 15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye? 16 And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded. =============================================== Matthew 7:15-23. 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. ====================== Seems it's rather specifically about FALSE prophets, about those who made many CLAIMS about doing the things of God, but were really workers of iniquity who did not do what they claimed. (Sounds familiar, too.) It has nothing to do with anyone attempting to be a Christian and trying to walk as Christ walked.

Since you asked nicely, I compared JAL's comment where he was focusing on getting power from God with Simon the Sorcerer and how he focused on getting acclaim from people by demonstrating power, including real power from God. sky then pointed out Simon's ego trip reminded him of vpw as well. vpw's invention of the whole "The Man of God" title and majesty was actually pretty similar to Simon's constructed reputation.

Why, El Guapo?

That's it. I can never remember if they were Chicago or Chicago Transit Authority at that point.

There's 2 correct answers, and I will accept either. "Cut the cloth, tread on the fat Leave the bones on the bedroom mat Pour the milk on the pantry floor Splash the wine on every door! Dump the crocks in a boiling bowl Pound them up with a thumping pole When you're finished if they are whole Send them down the hall to roll!"

But...but... but... I heard some good Bible there. He taught me The Word. How could all of that evilness be true if I heard some good Bible there?

Finally figured out what I was reminded of. Acts 8:9-23 9 But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one: 10 To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God. 11 And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries. 12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. 13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done. 14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: 15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: 16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) 17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost. 18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money, 19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost. 20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money. 21 Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God. 22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee. 23 For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.

I know I should know this one. If it was dysentery, then it was "Raiders of the Lost Ark."

"I don't Does anybody really care care If so I can't imagine why about time. We've all got time enough to cry. Oh no, no. And I was walking down the street one day. Being pushed and shoved by people trying to beat the clock, oh, so I just don't know, I just don't know. And I said, yes I said People runnin' everywhere. Don't know the way to go. Don't know where I am. Can't see past the next step. Don't have to think past the last mile. Have no time to look around. Just run around, run around and think why"

Having eliminated that one, Animal House, and the Blues Brothers, I'm not remembering any other movies he did.

......Yes, El Guapo.