Oakspear

During my last ten years in TWI, we had so few people in our area that dating wayfers exclusively was difficult. Most of the single guys were in their late teens or early twenties, the single women were mostly divorced women in the late thirties with kids. What they did do was put pressure on people to bring the folks they were dating to TWI events, fun nights, picnics, and then fellowships. If they didn't want what TWI was selling, they should be dumped. The last WayAP class that was run while I was still in consisted of, in addition to children of grads, two girlfriends of grads.

I hadn't heard anything about it, but then again I've not been keeping up lately. Part of the problem with unstable currencies is that sometimes, the old currency is scrapped a new one started. I expect we'll see that if and when the Iraqi economy gets on it's feet they'll be at least one change in the currency, making the next-to-worthless dinars totally worthless. I wouldn't be surprised if the medium of exchange is the US dollar in Iraq right now.

Go and sin no more

ex10 - t5hat's the related topic of "is it ever okay to lie?", as opposed to "what is a lie?"

Oh, it was humorous alright! :D--> Maybe another day. I used to tell some of the my WOW years stories to my kids at bedtime...they'd ask for them

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...that would be neat!

well, I'm blessed that you're blessed (shouldn't we post this on Family Tables?), but I only said I learned and grew, because I rationalized the crap into learning experiences. It was a cluster ----

Some of us had a rough time as WOWs, but rationalized it away in some fashion. We were taking a stand for God, we were being toughened up & conditioned, we stood in the face of adversity, etc. My WOW year was more a comedy of errors than a horror story, although there were horrible moments WOWs were sent out to various small Nebraska towns that year 5000-15,000 in size. We were sent to a town where the only reason that you didn't marry your cousin was because your sister was prettier. Within a month one of the WOW families was sent home because the interim 10th corps leaders had (according to what we heard) problems in their marriage. One of the non-WOWs transported many of us in a bus that he owned. The bus broke down in central Iowa. We waited 3 days for it to be repaired. One WOW sister was pregnant when she arrived, got an abortion in Denver and thought she was pregnant again several months later. Our coordinator was 20 years old, interim corps, very immature. He was lazy, and most of his jobs were those where he could set his own hours. The hours that he set involved sleeping in after the rest of us went to work. Later in the year he worked putting in a lawn for our landlord, failed miserably and had to apy back the discount on the rent that our landlord paid him. Of course he had no job and no money, so the rest of us had to pay it back. He also thought he was God's gift to women, and was always hitting on somebody, including both our WOW sisters. (unsuccessfully I might add) We were the targets of an organized campaign to drive "cults" out of our assigned city. Radio programs, flyers, public meetings, rock throwing; you name it. By the time we got down to the last few months we were all just marking time until our year was up in August. We weren't making any attempt to "do the program". To top it off, while staying in a hotel on our way to the ROA, someone came into our hotel room while we were sleeping and stole all our cash. :(--> And yet, despite all of that I always said that I learned a lot in my WOW year. I talked about these incidents, but in the context of "learning", and "growing". btw, I don't think so now :D-->

In August 1979 I had been a PFAL grad for 17 months and was moving into a Way Home. Naturally, "leadership" made the decision as to who would be the Way Home Coordinator/Twig Leader...must have been of God, right? It was a guy who had taken PFAL with me the previous year. One morning, one of the women who lived in the WH stayed home from work and tried unsucessfully to make a phone call. She went to the corner pay phone and found out from the phone company that we were shut off because we were several months behind in our payments. She called me and the other woman who lived there. We made some phone calls (from work) to our other utilities and found out that none of them were paid. That night we three confronted our WH Coordinator, who was responsible for collecting our share of rent & bills and making the payments. He admitted to drinking and gambling our money away. We called our Branch Coordinator and told him we were throwing the bum out. BC told us that we didn't have the authority to do that since we weren't the ones who put him there. He convinced us that we should keep this S.O.B. in our home, but he would be replaced as leader. He agreed to pay all the back bills, and would no longer be in control of the finances. I was appointed Family Coordinator & Twig Leader. He paid the back utilities with rubber checks. We gave him three days to get out. BC said we were unloving and should have consulted with him. We said, "sure, how about we throw his foot out tonight?" Spiritual decisions -->

Personal stories: that's mainly what hooked me to WayDale & later Grease Spot Cafe. I had been hearing bad stuff about TWI as far back as 1979, but never gave it much credence. It was the first-hand testimony of people who had stories and experiences very similar to mine that made the difference. After lurking and later posting I made contact with several ex-Way folks, by phone and by email. The man behind the curtain was revealed! An aside: when Paul & Bev M were RC's in Washington, two freinds of mine who had recently moved there from Nebraska emailed our family to tell us how great the DTA class had been, and how The Mos-----s had set the syllabus aside and just "taught from the Word!!! It wasn't too much later that Paul & Bev were out of TWI.

I never understood the blanket "drop kicking" of those Way Corps who were married to non-Corps. Some of these people had been running fellowships, branches, even limbs for years, some ordained clergy, then *poof* - yer unworthy!

I think it's the intent to deceive that makes it lying. If, by leaving out critical information, you allow someone to think that a situation is different than what it is, that's lying. If you are repeating information that you believe is true, you may be many things, but you're not lying.

LOL...I try to make a habit of not telling someone what to do when I can't do what they're doing...I think giving birth is at the top of that list :D-->

Seth: I am now cleaning orange juice off my monitor after spewing it while laughing at your post

On several threads recently, I have seen people accused of lying. One accusee explained that he was misinformed and apologized for not doing his homework. He was ripped for lying anyway. Is something a lie simply because it does not equal absolute truth? Isn't it be possible to be mistaken? Isn't it possible to misinterpret events or motivations? Isn't it possible to be just plain stupid? :D--> My ex-wife was like that, if I forgot what the exact amount the electric bill was and told her it was $25.40 and it was really $24.50...holy carp! I was LYING!!! I saw it in numerous fellowships: A new person would express an opinion that was "off the Word" according to TWI doctrine. "That's a LIE" the leader would thunder. Geez, great motivation to come back --> Maybe it's been here at GS all along and I'm just noticing it now. What is a lie?

Because you can't stand to see someone throw around scientific sounding terms in support of something that has not been proven to work? Because you don't like seeing people b.s.ed by someone who tries to sound informed? There are plenty of things out there that seem to work, but where there are no tests proving a correlation, much less proof of a cause-effect relationship. Heck, there are things that I do when I'm sick that seem to work for me, which I wouldn't dream of promoting as a universal cure. But when a promoter of one of these products or whatever starts spouting scientific sounding words, and producing "data" to support the claims, then it's fair game, open season. Those who use these products are not being attacked by those, like Zixar, who produce real facts to counter the quackery. But if you want to claim that something works because the pressure is such-and-such, or the pH is something-or-another,a nd someone shows that what you claim is physically IMPOSSIBLE, then maybe you should be glad for the education. And then this quote: Does the author of this quote realize that Zixar is a bible believing Christian? He's not one of those infidel atheists.

WordWolf, the resident expert on summaries has declined to provide one, so here's what I've got so far: Rochelle sure was great LEAD was tough The truck went into a ditch People got hurt Other people waved as the plane went over HCW is shorter than he used to be A new metric to inches conversion is introduced It's all the Trustees' fault No it's not Yes it is Shut up Oldies No HCW took advanced driver training & saw the other guy do the same evasive moves that HCW had been trained to do Derailers are disrespecting Rochelle's memory It's still the Trustees' fault Good things happened in TWI dammit! Santori is reviled It's satori, you idiot, not saNtori Satori is advised to "back off" Satori is advised to apologize Satori is advised to "back the .... off" Nobody admits to watching "Arthur" Did I miss much?

squirrelly... :D-->

Yup, and interpretation means to let moose...

Post on Grease Spot. It worked for me.

I never really had anybody try to "melt my face" until 1993 or 94. I wasn't in the Way Corps, and when I was a WOW our coordinator, who was interim Way Corps, was so far from doing the program himself that he never really roads our butts about much. The first time or two somebody got in my face I was so stunned that anybody would talk to me like that I froze. Mostly I just shut up and took the crap because my then-wife interpreted any resistance to the abuse on my part as disobeying "leadership", being "out of fellowship", et cetera. Since we already had problems in our marriage I wasn't willing to strain it any further by having her think that I was possesed or something :D-->

Oldies: They still really, really, really want you to "abundantly share" and still use CSBP. Wasn't that one of your main doctrinal beefs? Maybe try going over to "Family Tables" and start a discussion about it.

One thing that a lot of parents don't realize is that very young children will tell what is not the objective truth without batting an eye. Why? Not because they are necessarily trying to deceive, but because, as "the center of the universe", the way they want things to be is the way things are. The way that they feel becomes reality. Why do you think that a child cries that a parent "yelled" at them when the parent was talking in what they thought was a normal tone of voice? Eventually we teach our children that the way that they see things is not necessarily the way things are. Children who never learn this and move into adulthood with the same center-of-the-universe mindset have problems. Some of the same kind of problems that we've been talking about.

I sometimes get piles on my bum. Does that count?