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And what other job tells you how you can spend the money that they pay you?

I distinctly remember Martindale saying regarding the full time decision that if it didn't work, and they had to go back to the Corps getting "secular" employment, the ministry would have failed. Fast forward to the announcement that the Corps was going off full time employment with TWI: the spin was not that there was any failure involved, in fact, it was God's will! Now the highly trained and spiritual Way Corps would be able to move the Word even greater than before since they would be out in the job market; people would hear the Word who otherwise might not because The Corps would be working! The biggest laugh was that Martindale was promoting that the Way Corps could easily move into middle management jobs due to their experiencve leading people. --> Now I know that some of you Corps grads were pretty smart and started your own sucessful businesses, or were professionals in your field. (and you guys lost out when, after dropping your career or business, you had to start all over again a few years later because "revelation changed") but there were a lot of Corps grads out there who couldn't think their way out of a paper bag, and some of these fine specimens were angling for management jobs!

Raf: Thanks for holding the line on pizza integrity while I was otherwise occupied. Somebody has to maintain proper standards! And by the way, if it's got chocolate chips in it, it ain't a bagel!

You sir, are going to hell!

Come to the dark side

Well, yeah she's prettier, but Sudo is one of the few here who can legitimately call himself "Doctor", and as for me...er...um...well, I was his room mate at two Weenie Roasts

For me it was right after the "homo purge" and the subsequent last-minute scrapping of the WOW program. The Way Corps were noticeably more agressive, more intrusive and just plain mean. "Leadership" began to preemptively squelch all opposition or disagreement. For example when a decision was made, the announcement would be accompanied by an assetion that anyone who disagreed was "out to lunch", or some other equally loving label.

On my screen saver at work I put: WWBD? B=Bill, my boss It makes him feel Godlike.

Faces > click on the little yellow smiley face on the top left of the "Reply" window and you'll get a selection of smileys, frownies, teeth and tongues to choose from. Welcome...let me give you one valuable piece of advice: listen to everything that Sudo and I tell you :D-->....mwahahahaha

I just don't let...oh wait, you said I couldn't use that one :D--> Part of dealing with anger for me is understanding exactly what it is that makes me angry. For me it is usually someone saying something to me, or treating me in a manner that I interpret as some form of attack. It could be being accused of something unjustly, or being treated condescendingly or any number of things. Once I understand why I am angry, I can then determine whether I really should be angry. More often than not it involves finding out if my perception of what the other person was saying was correct. Other times it just means deciding that what I am mad about cannot be changed or isn't so bad after all. Of course, sometimes removing myself from the source of my anger might be the only solution

Lindy: I've been a Blues Traveller fan since someone accidently misfiled their album (yes, album, in the early days of CDs) in the blues section at the radio station where I was working. I immediately was entranced by Droppin' Some NYC, Gina and Gotta Get Mean. Reikilady's daughter got me Four for Christmas. I never quite understood the lyrics to Hook before, and thought they were appropriate to our shared TWI experience

A telling remark, no matter what the context: Holy carp! How many times have we heard things like that? TWI leaders made (and still make) a lot of assumptions based on the TWI world-view that they have absorbed. "Surely God would have told me if so-and-so was a child molester" they tell themselves, "God would not let evil like this flourish...he would give me revelation to smoke him out" So, is TWI a haven for child molesters? If the so-called leaders who "stand in the gap" for God's people think like this, then the answer is "hell yeah".

ya know, I don't give a carp about what isolated innies say...let's hear the top dogs say that things have changed. You won't because that would mean admitting that something was wrong before.

Going back to TWI = sticking your head into old wineskins, then sticking the wineskin encased head into a hole in the ground to hide from reality

Okay...the Masons (free or otherwise) are a front for the Illuminati who are a front for pagans who are a front for guys in fezes and clown suits who drive antique cars to raise money for children's hospitals who are a front for saaaaatan...did I get it right?

def: Isn't one of the central tenets of Christianity that humans are incapable of doing it themselves? That's why universalism is plausible and consistant with Christ's sacrifice. Whether it actually lines up with the bible is another question.

How's your Uncle Richie?

Result vary JL.

No further information is given refarding corps graduation numbers in Karl's book (that I could find)

fromThe Cult That Snapped by Karl Kahler, p 107: 1st Corps 1972 - 9 graduated 2nd Corps 1973 - 19 3rd Corps 1974 - 25 4th Corps 1975 - 68 5th Corps 1977 - 70 6th Corps 1978 - 275 7th Corps 1979 - 279 8th Corps 1980 - 207 9th Corps 1981 - Not released 10th Corps 1982 - 299 11th Corps 1983 - 326 12th Corps 1984 - not released 13th Corps 1985 - not released 14th Corps 1986 - 296 15th Corps 1987 - 360+ (including Family Corps) 16th Corps 1988 - 201

Can I use non-religious platitudes?

Then what is being discussed in I Thessalonians 4 when "the dead in Christ shall rise"...and those that area live and remain meet the lord on the air?

Sudo: The seismographs picked it up all right, the operators just didn't have a pre-set communications plan in place to warn the governments about the quake and the possible tsunami to follow.

Or perhaps it magnifies it, depends on your point of view. What would be bigger, a sacrifice that covered all(without exception ;)-->) because it's cleansing power was so far reaching, or one that only covered those who accepted it because they were in the right place at the right time, were in the right culture, had the right parents or who got witnessed to by the right missionaries? Not saying that's what I believe, just that it's as valid as the statement quoted above.

I'm still waiting for an apology :D--> Hey, I'm in the phone book!