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Catol's account is the claim It is not evidence for that claim. I already have her number. Do not post it here.

Traxx Just kidding. Traxx was seen by more people.

By the way, EVERYTHING we know about Gary's medical condition comes to us second hand. Do we have the expert analysis of his doctor? No. Do we have the case studied by independent medical experts? No. Did Hugh Laurie suddenly have an epiphany leading into the last commercial break? No. To say this story lackscredibility is to be generous. It's one thing to consider his tale as a matter of faith. But you're going to need a truckload more evidence if you want to pass it off as an actual "miracle." It doesn't pass the first test of a miracle: it does not defy explanation. Guy fell into a coma [allegedly: we have ZERO verification even THAT took place. But let's assume it did since it is not an extraordinary claim and therefore does not require extraordinary evidence]. It was dire. His heart might have stopped a couple of times. He was revived [by medical attention; the story doesn't even ALLEGE a miracle here]. He was under constant medical care and supervision. He recovered. Would he have recovered without divine intervention? Who knows? Would he have recovered without medical intervention? Again, who knows? [Ans: you. you know]. When he awakened, he made claims about what he experienced that can readily be explained by the fact that he has a functioning brain. Look, if you want me to believe a miracle took place here, you gotta at LEAST alllege a miracle!

there is no evidence gary died. there is less than no evidence that gary was dead for two weeks. testimonies are CLAIMS. Every religion has adherents with claims. All magically verify their own religions. imagine that. His recovery would have certainly been miraculous had it not been accompanied by nonstop 24/7 medical care. Thank Doc he lived to tell his "miraculous" tale.

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So I found the article. The first thing that should be noted, is that the story does not say this person was dead. It specifically says he was in a coma. Yes, it says he died several times. Technically speaking, that is not true. But that is not an uncommon journalistic convention, to say someone died on the operating table and was revived. In real hospital rooms, you are pronounced dead exactly one time. After that, they stopped working on you. Funny how that works. So this guy never actually died in any real sense of the word. However, he was in grave mortal Danger. So he hallucinated. Big deal.

Not so fast. My initial search turned out to be inadequate. If you go to that paper's web site, you can't find anything about the reporter or those subjects. That paper doesn't have a reporter by that name. That's because he's the publisher. I asked. So now I'm asking whether they are catalogued by Nexis (the journalist's Google) and if not, whether there was an article published on that date by that writer covering those subjects. I will advise.

I have a truckload of early Way teaching tapes on mp3 if anyone wants access. Name the teaching: I'll find it and send it.

Carlton your (alcoholic) doorman was never seen on the series (he's in a cartoon pilot episode that went nowhere) Rhoda is Jewish. Lou Grant was not a sitcom, plus I'm sure if Lou DID get married, it wasn't a big deal. Rhoda's wedding was a BIG deal. ("Maybe you'll get it after all" was a subtle allusion to the MTM theme song). Rhoda's sister is played by Julie Kavner (Marge Simpson), which would have been the next clue. Their mother wa played by Nancy Walker, also famous for Bounty paper towel commercials. You're up!

A google search for the headline: ""Gary Laude 'said he went to heaven during illness" Turns up this page. This one. The one you're reading.

Carol and Gary Laude do live in Michigan. Let's see if I can't get any closer...

No Jim Kelly at that paper. No Carol Laude. No Caoral Laude. No Gary Laude. No Laude at all.

For the record, it is not a contemporary series of I Love Lucy. It was much later. Maybe much much, but certainly not much much much.

Big time. Then again, maybe you'll get it after all.

Jim, if you have the date of the story, the name of the paper, and the names of anyone ANYONE involved (like, say, the person who wrote the story), I can hunt it down. This is not.hard.at.all. The notion that journalists would not be interested in verifiable miracles taking place at hospitals is absurd on its face. And someone who was dead for TWO WEEKS only to hpp back up and ask for a filet-o-fish would have made international headlines. People here are being way too nice. This story is horse manure.

It is not. Soap is not a spinoff. The main character gets married early in the series. Because she was so popular from the parent series, and because it was a crossover event, it was one of the most watched tv comedy episodes ever. At the time, only the birth of Little Ricky on I Love Lucy drew more viewers.

This was the first television sitcom to feature a Jewish lead character. There had been Jewish characters before, but they were always supporting. This is a spinoff. In the original series, the main character had a sister named Debbie. Debbie is never mentioned in the spinoff. Though their characters are Jewish, the lead actress and her mother are* not. (The actress who played the mother is dead: she was also famous for appearing in TV commercials for a common household product). Foster Brooks was approached to voice one character, but turned it down.

Oh hello.

Do not assume and "either/or." Problem solved

It was semi-comic. Don't hurt yourself trying to figure it out.

With respect to your point of view, no, I do not mean that man's understanding of Yahweh changed or that how Yahweh revealed himself changed. MY view is that Yahweh is a fictional character whose characteristics developed over time. He didn't start out as the only god. He didn't start out as all powerful. He didn't start out as all love. It's not a question of when did he reveal these characteristics to man. It's a question of when man imposed these characteristics on him, then retroactively applied those characteristics to the earlier stories about him. I was expressing MY view, and I appreciate your consideration of my other comments.

Patriot Games

B. is Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego. A. is something something Liberty. Is D. Hector Peacoat?

No, this is a Marx Brothers movie. Don't know which one, though. I would guess Animal Crackers or Duck Soup

When the rapture does take place, the world will not know it because so many people who CALL themselves Christians will still be here.