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"When guys are persistent, it's romantic, they make movies about that. If it's a woman, then they cast Glenn Close." *** "Bygones." *** "A fat man, trying to squeeze through a narrow chimney, and I taunt him with Oreos and whole milk."

WD, I notice in your chastisement that you neglected to quote the post I was responding to in the first place, thus being able to conclude that I was bringing up the "evidence" issure out of thin air. So here's the post I was referring to... So, you see, far from bringing it up out of nowhere (your second demonstrably incorrect accusation against me on this thread), I brought it up as a specific parallel to the post immediately before it. Regardless, we've both been told this is off topic. So let's keep it that way.

Amen, Mark. That's my point, exactly.

And that would be a false accusation, WD. I replied to Jeff in a PM, as he requested. But the answer to the question is in this thread. The "Moonwalking Bear" is that which is plain for anyone to see, as long as you are not distracted by irrelevancies that call your attention away from it.

WD wants proof. Do you have any rock solid proof. Not testimony from abused Christian after abused Christian, many of whom are turned off Christ forever as a result. No, testimony is not proof. He wants stains on dresses. He wants videotape. He wants to do a drug test that can pick up traces of laced drinks imbibed 35 years ago. Nothing short of that will consitute proof! Pay no attention to the moonwalking bear!

Speak for yourself. Some of us are led to other conclusions. Such as: VPW could have left a signed confession with a videotaped addendum, and some people would still refuse to acknowledge that he was a predator who abused God's Word and His people to satisfy his lust for money, sex and power. You only need to eat one person to be a cannibal, no matter how many people you met and did not eat.

"Okay you guys, listen up! People pay good money to see this movie! When they go out to a theater they want cold sodas, hot popcorn, and no monsters in the projection booth! Do I have to come up there myself?" **** "Fred, what we want is, I think, what everyone wants, and what you and your viewers have: civilization." "Yes, but what sort of civilization are you speaking of?" "The niceties, Fred. The fine points: diplomacy, compassion, standards, manners, tradition... that's what we're reaching toward. Oh, we may stumble along the way, but civilization, yes. The Geneva Convention, chamber music, Susan Sontag. Everything your society has worked so hard to accomplish over the centuries, that's what we aspire to; we want to be civilized. You take a look at this fellow here. (Shoots him in the head) Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized. Now, bear in mind, none of us has been in New York before. There are the Broadway shows - we'll have to find out how to get tickets. There's also a lot of street crime, but I believe we can watch that for free. We want the essentials. Dinettes. Complete bedroom groups. Convenient credit, even though we've been turned down in the past."

Giveaway: "Fred, what we want is, I think, what everyone wants, and what you and your viewers have: civilization." "Yes, but what sort of civilization are you speaking of?" "The niceties, Fred. The fine points: diplomacy, compassion, standards, manners, tradition... that's what we're reaching toward. Oh, we may stumble along the way, but civilization, yes. The Geneva Convention, chamber music, Susan Sontag. Everything your society has worked so hard to accomplish over the centuries, that's what we aspire to; we want to be civilized. You take a look at this fellow here. (Shoots him in the head) Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized. Now, bear in mind, none of us has been in New York before. There are the Broadway shows - we'll have to find out how to get tickets. There's also a lot of street crime, but I believe we can watch that for free. We want the essentials. Dinettes. Complete bedroom groups. Convenient credit, even though we've been turned down in the past."

Boston Legal

UMM! Is that the new "Duh for The"?

Now, bear in mind, none of us has been in New York before. There are the Broadway shows - we'll have to find out how to get tickets. There's also a lot of street crime, but I believe we can watch that for free. We want the essentials. Dinettes. Complete bedroom groups. Convenient credit, even though we've been turned down in the past.

Look, boil it down to this: "He did plagiarize, and it matters." "He did plagiarize, and it doesn't matter." "He didn't plagiarize." If you hold to the first statement, I agree with you. If you hold to the second tenet, I disagree with you, but I respect you for acknowledging the obvious. If you hold to the third tenet, I cannot say anything to you without violating at least 14 Greasespot rules forbidding personal attacks on your reading comprehension skills, understanding of vocabulary and astonishing lack of intelligence.

This is nitpicking, and it depends on how you define "passing it off as his own." Wierwille most certainly did credit people for their ideas. But he also plagiarized. The two ideas are not incompatible. In one chapter of Order My Steps in Thy Word, he spends several paragraphs plagiarizing Kenyon, then in the very same chapter providing an appropriately documented lengthy citation of Kenyon's work. The fact that he credited Kenyon with DEF doesn't change the fact that he plagiarized ABC. Saying your stuff is not original is not a blank check that permits you to plagiarize other people's work.

C. Thomas Howell E.T. (yes he was) Drew Barrymore

Still no one's got this? Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory I'm RIGHT! I WIN! Good DAY, sir!

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Ugly Betty?

I don't know why this thread reminds me of this clip (ok, yes I do)...

I agree. As I said, Jeffrey Dahmer only ate a FEW of the people he met. Miniscule compared to the number of people he didn't eat. That makes him a non-murderer and non-cannibal FAR more times than he was a murderer and cannibal.

Again the VPW as David claim. And the basketball passes on. Pay no attention to the moonwalking bear!

Denise Richards The World is Not Enough John Cleese

As I've often said, Jeffrey Dahmer ate only a miniscule percentage of the people he met in his life. Why, then, do we insist on calling him a cannibalistic murderer?

CAPITALIZATION IS NO GUARANTEE FOR TRUTH. The mastery that has taken place here is not a mastery of PFAL or the Bible. It's a mastery of dodging, distracting, etc. Whether you agree with the majority of PFAL or not, it is not "perfect." It is the flawed work of a (deeply) flawed man. That's plain and obvious for all to see, as long as they're not distracted by theories and questions that are designed with one purpose in mind: to lead you away from truths that would otherwise be obvious [that PFAL is the imperfect work of predatory charlatan]. Argue about VPW's character, argue about individual flaws in the person or the product, argue about all you want to argue about, and you will spend all your time counting basketball passes and missing the moonwalking bear [PFAL was, at best, the candy in "hey little boy, do you want some candy?"]

VPW was a fraud. A predator who used and twisted scripture to satisfy his own ends. THAT's the moonwalking bear. This whole argument is counting basketball passes.

Maybe, but you won't catch me scouring the works of L. Ron Hubbard for a "what's right with it, what's wrong with it" review.