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Raf

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  1. Hard to believe it's a year, April 10.

    A year since the par juice.

    A year since the spiritual ring.

    A year since the SNORT!

    A year since two, er, six of the luckiest people I know became one family.

    Congratulations Steve! and Cindy! and the ! litter.

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    The 1985 brochure on TWI history says that Wierwille started intensively studying the Bible "in the late summer of 1942," after Rosalind Rinker spoke with him. After that he had the vision. VP supposedly was looking at a "crystal blue, autumn sky" before the blizzard. Then the radio program began "approximately one month after God audibly spoke to him," on October 3rd.

    I remembered reading about that, but something doesn't make sense there:

    "approximately one month" would mean that Wierwille saw his snowstorm in early September of 1942. Impossible. That's summer.

    There's conflicting info on this, I know.

  3. Leave it to TWI to take a concept born of individual generosity and turn it into an obligation.

    It goes beyond abundant sharing

    It's giving your plurality

    You really want to move the Word

    It's time to raise your vision.

    It goes beyond abundant sharing.

    It's giving your plurality

    You've got the choice.

    It's in the Word.

    What's your decision?

    Don't you love how the "choice" is not whether or not to give, but rather whether or not to "do the Word." It's okay if you DON'T do the Word. That's your choice. You're just not doing the Word. No guilt trip there, right?

    Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity, for God loves a cheerful giver.

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    They don’t have “the time” for the integrity and accuracy of God’s Word any longer. Most only have the time to ridicule it and those who still want to believe it, so they remain in the bondage they mistakenly call freedom.

    I want to point out that I have no problem with the accuracy and integrity of God's Word. I simply do not believe that PFAL is synonymous with that term, and the fact that something appears in PFAL is not evidence to me that it is "the accuracy and integrity of God's Word." It is a thesis to be tested, as the scripture instructs us to do. I'm tired of sycophants criticizing researchers who do exactly what God's Word instructs us to do, which is to prove all things and hold fast to that which is good. I think Wierwille got a lot right. Allos and heteros is something he got wrong. Big whoop? Yeah, big whoop, unless you are so wedded to his "rightness" that you are both unwilling and unable to see the plain truth right in front of your eyes, merely because it plainly and flatly contradicts what the earth-shaker wrote and taught in a class. He was fallible. His works were fallible. So why does it surprise anyone when a flaw is pointed out and documented?

  5. Wierwille used the definitions of heteros and allos as part of his proof that there were four crucified, not two, with Jesus. That part of his argument is discredited. I agree with WTH in that it doesn't mean (by itself) that the four crucified position is wrong. It simply means that the heteros allos part of the evidence does not prove what Wierwille said it proved.

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    Well, there is at least one man I know and whom I also met that thought it was worth his time. Of course that doesn’t prove he was correct in every case or that he rightly divided the word of God in every situation. All it proves is he considered the integrity and accuracy of God’s Word to be worth his time and also worth the return on his investment of his time. He certainly can’t speak for you or for anyone else any more than I can.

    Clearly, you cannot be speaking of Wierwille, for whom the concept of "research" in this particular instance meant regurgitating what so-and-so said about allos and heteros (had his research extended further, he would have seen that he was wrong).

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    You (like many others) don’t believe the accuracy and integrity of God’s Word is worth your time or the return on the investment of your time.

    No, sir, you have me mistaken with the man in your mirror.

    If you want to spend the time with me comparing notes on allos and heteros, and comparing them with what Wierwille wrote, I'm game.

    Oh, and for the record, I said I did not have the time to try to convince you that your right cheek is of the same kind as your left. Here is my exact quote:

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    If you want to convince yourself that your right cheek is of a different kind than your left cheek, be my guest: I've nothing to say about that. Frankly, I have no time whatsoever to discuss it.

    Then you wrote:

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    And I am not so sure just ‘how’ wrong VPW was to begin with on this issue like you want to believe he was. What I do know is exactly what it would take, and also the amount of time required it would take to prove him wrong on this point. That is the time you yourself said you didn’t have to give to this issue from your last post.

    You were either accidentally wrong about what I posted, or deliberately lying and trying to mischaracterize my words. Either way, your mistake is exposed.

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    The truth is, it would take a lot of time going into the scriptures and looking up every instance of the words for allos and heteros.

    No, that's a lie. It would not take all that much time at all. An hour, maybe two, will establish all you need to know. What I posted earlier only took a few minutes.

    But here's what's stupid to me: you declare with zero research that the definitions are fairly consistent. I look into that claim and show they are not. Then you criticize ME for taking the time to look it up.

    You should have stopped at "if he's wrong about it, so what?" You were on stronger ground then.

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