The Micromanaging Matriarch

[skyrider]

Did you know that there are SIX gift ministries as the white gloved-hand magician took center stage

.......and martindale was briskly scooted out of the spotlight and behind the curtain?

Yep, SIX......1)apostles, 2)prophets, 3)evangelists, 4)pastors, 5)teachers and 6)micromanagers.

When Rosalie came center stage, to sit at the big chair......her gift was one of "an administrator"

or more technically known as a micromanager. She is gifted with the determination to excessively

control all the details down to the smallest tasks at twi's headquarters. She requires constant

performance feedback thru a layered chain of departmental informants. Whether Rosalie possesses

an obsessive-compulsive personality disorder or borders on one is for others to determine.

The evolution of twi's demise is a fascinating subject to me. With each new president, twi attempts

to tweak and massage its message to convey its relevance.....while dismissing the true essence of

Christianity, the Lord Jesus Christ. By the mid-90s, I noticed that those five gift ministries

[or Christ-in-you, the hope of glory and individual autonomy] were rarely taught or acknowledged.

The Blob of groupthink conformity had been ushered in and seated in the front row.

Of course, every time I think of this micromanaging "gift ministry"......I think, HOW CONVENIENT

for rosalie and the ruling class. Sit at her desk and pontificate. For that matter, she could be

on her cell phone demanding feedback while shopping at Saks Fifth Avenue in Chicago with donna.

I mean, who really is going to know.....or care? When micromanagers rule the joint, don't most

relish in the fact that said micromanager is NOT in the office? Absolutely.

If wierwille could be credited with anything, it would be....what an elaborate, bureaucratic ruse

he set in motion to bewitch the followers. Far surpassing other cult communes.....the wierwille

cult has sustained a "headquarters" where 240-270 (?) staffers are complicit in fleecing the field

workers of their hard-earned money.

When Rosalie is gone.....I wonder what the 7th "gift ministry" will be?

The Mystifying Prophet Behind the Veil?

[Bolshevik]

Things seemed less micro-managed under Rosie than LCM. She is less controlling. Less details were required to leadership under her.

[skyrider]

Things seemed less micro-managed under Rosie than LCM. She is less controlling. Less details were required to leadership under her.

There is certainly plenty of room for debate concerning that.

Here at GS, you'll find accounts of people stating that Rosalie (and Donna) were laying the groundwork

of the 1990s micromanaging that evolved. While craig was romping around in his motorcoach and Dayton

motel rooms......Rosalie was calculating. She was confident that it was only a matter of time before

lcm's demise.

[i personally think that there was an alliance between Donna and Rosalie

that strengthened formidably dating back to 1987....as the "fog years"

intensified and lcm needed counsel and guidance.]

Here is another such incident that gives substance to my claim.

[Gee, I should write a book....lol]

Looking back, I now see more subtle instances where this slow trainwreck was in motion. At the November

1997 Advanced Class Special, I was assigned to escort Mrs. Wierwille throughout the event. Every day

from 7am-10pm (at least) it was my responsibility to BE READY AT A MOMENT'S NOTICE when Mrs. W. wanted

to be escorted somewhere in that Dallas hotel. From Tuesday noon --> Sunday afternoon.....it was a very

demanding schedule. Anyways.....there I was, this Sunday morning with Mrs. Wierwille and she wanted

to stop off at Craig & Donna's room to greet them before going to breakfast. As we entered their room,

there was lots of tension between Donna and John Linder. After a minute or two of cordial greetings,

Mrs. Wierwille turned to leave the room....and Donna, turning to Linder and said, "Make sure he [Craig]

is up by nine."

Here it was....the CLOSING TEACHING SESSION started at 10:30am and Donna sternly instructed Linder

to "....make sure he [craig] is up by nine." WOWSERS.....my head was swirling as I turned to quickly

open the door for Mrs. Wierwille. My thoughts raced: 1)Why was craig still in bed? 2)Was he sick?

3)Did craig have a late night dealing with some spiritual matter?

With responsibilities at hand to escort Mrs. Wierwille, I had to perish those thoughts

and stay focused on all the details that came my way.

TODAY??......I tend to think that craig was dallying in some corps girl's bedroom late that night

and Donna was furious in finding out "stuff" and yet, needing to keep this predation secret.

Craig was too busy with "other stuff" to be an adept micromanager. :biglaugh:/>

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Edited January 9, 2016 by skyrider

[skyrider]

Maybe I should have titled this thread in the plural....

The Micromanaging Matriarchs

[Bolshevik]

Our entire limb/state had to give planned schedules of our entire week in 15-minute increments and turn them over to leadership. Along with that, actual schedules from the previous week, for comparison (did we follow the plan exactly?). Mind you, this was not a root locale, not corps, just regular wayfer trash. This was far from Ohio, and when LCM was in charge.

Under LCM, things were so controlling (that and the internet making more a mess of things), I dropped out of school, I could not think straight under all those rules and constant attacks. Under Rosie, I went back to school, and so did others, things calmed down.

I agree the argument can go back and forth about what/when was more micromanaged.

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Donn@ taught at an STS years later. She taught the "spirit world is more real than the chair your sitting in". That's a lot of power to give someone . . . letting them dictate to you what's real.

Lind@r was the same. An expert on revelation and casting out spirits. "I could caste a spirit out of that guy easy enough . . . but I won't bother . . . it'll just jump right back in because he won't renew his mind."

R@sie was passive aggressive as well. I won't quote her here.

If you want to see leadership's evilness get quotes from them.

[waysider]

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(or maybe not)

Lind@r was the same. An expert on revelation and casting out spirits. "I could caste a spirit out of that guy easy enough . . . but I won't bother . . . it'll just jump right back in because he won't renew his mind."

This quote is almost word for word from one of the classes. Not sure which one. (AC,RM or DWA) That's how insidious this stuff became. Linder was quoting something from a class as if it were an original thought he had.

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[Bolshevik]

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(or maybe not)

Lind@r was the same. An expert on revelation and casting out spirits. "I could caste a spirit out of that guy easy enough . . . but I won't bother . . . it'll just jump right back in because he won't renew his mind."

This quote is almost word for word from one of the classes. Not sure which one. (AC,RM or DWA) That's how insidious this stuff became. Linder was quoting something from a class as if it were an original thought he had.

Oh sheesh . . . can't say I'm surprised. One delusion or another.

(There was an actual guy coming around . . . bit of a nut-job . . . marked-and-avoided a long time back . . . Linder was speaking about that guy . . . just to give some context).

[skyrider]

Our entire limb/state had to give planned schedules of our entire week in 15-minute increments and turn them over to leadership. Along with that, actual schedules from the previous week, for comparison (did we follow the plan exactly?). Mind you, this was not a root locale, not corps, just regular wayfer trash. This was far from Ohio, and when LCM was in charge.

And....I am one who tends to believe that Rosalie [and Donna] instigated them.

There are some GS-posters, namely catcup, who have given us ample examples of

craig's ineptness.....especially during those "fog years." Even afterwards,

he got all "his research" and ideas from others.

Under LCM, things were so controlling (that and the internet making more a mess of things), I dropped out of school, I could not think straight under all those rules and constant attacks. Under Rosie, I went back to school, and so did others, things calmed down.

You would know much more than I about what happened in those years of rosie's reign......I had exited

three years before craig was ousted and slithered into Toledo in the dead of night.

I agree the argument can go back and forth about what/when was more micromanaged.

[Oakspear]

And....I am one who tends to believe that Rosalie [and Donna] instigated them.

There are some GS-posters, namely catcup, who have given us ample examples of

craig's ineptness.....especially during those "fog years." Even afterwards,

he got all "his research" and ideas from others.

You would know much more than I about what happened in those years of rosie's reign......I had exited

three years before craig was ousted and slithered into Toledo in the dead of night.

Based on what some posters who worked closely with Rivenbark have said, I would agree that her micromanaging style absolutely influenced Martindale. I got out about a year after Martindale was ousted, so I don't have much direct experience with the post-Martindale TWI, but it sounds like, at least on the local level, the extreme controlling was dialed back. Not much info from inside HQ these days, but I'd imagine there the micromanaging continues

[Bolshevik]

I was at HQ post lcm for several years. It was far less controlling than the field experience of the 1990s. IMO.

(of course HQ was still BS, they were more crafty, another topic. Also, everyone had experienced so much control prior I think certain behavior was already conditioned)

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[shortfuse]

I was at HQ post lcm for several years. It was far less controlling than the field experience of the 1990s. IMO.

(of course HQ was still BS, they were more crafty, another topic. Also, everyone had experienced so much control prior I think certain behavior was already conditioned)

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Word up on the conditioning. No need to be so overt once people have been trained.

[shortfuse]

Based on what some posters who worked closely with Rivenbark have said, I would agree that her micromanaging style absolutely influenced Martindale. I got out about a year after Martindale was ousted, so I don't have much direct experience with the post-Martindale TWI, but it sounds like, at least on the local level, the extreme controlling was dialed back. Not much info from inside HQ these days, but I'd imagine there the micromanaging continues

My impression was that some of her micromanaging was directed AT Martindale and was an accountability measure in light of his cheating. It was foisted on the Corps after a few individuals had died - one in a car collision, the other in a work place fall. Craig took up this mantra that we could and should "schedule the adversary out of our lives". Depending on the zeal of the Corps to impart/impose these seem principles on their people. Sounds like Bolshevik got some of the worst of that.

dange rolls down hill.

Another example of this is the gift policy. We had a whole awkward time there where none of us could receive gifts of any kind. Supposedly all these corps were being bribed by people with seemingly innocuous gestures. There may have been abuses, not really at my level. Craig was far and away the biggest abuser of the "protocol" of gift giving. Hell, in the first draft of the Way of Abundance and Power coordinators guide, there was a whole page of suggested gifts that he as the teacher would enjoy receiving. Not long after that was all shut down, and all the field people got chewed out for accepting bribes. I'm pretty sure looking back that whole thing was about Craig himself.

[Bolshevik]

Word up on the conditioning. No need to be so overt once people have been trained.

Get them conditioned . . . then stop . . .

That's when leadership asks for A, B, and C. So Joe Believer goes and does A, B, C, and X, Y, and Z and more.

Then when Joe Believer complains things are too harsh . . . Leadership can be like "What? I never asked for X, Y and Z. You are the one with the legalism. You haven't renewed your mind yet. No condemnation, now bask in my benevolence."

When the conditioned condition others . . . how does one trace it back to anywhere?