They were protesting some homosexual issue up here in Duluth, and one of the kids involved in the protest was interviewed on tv, and asked about God's love, and she replied:
"God is Love. That is why He can hate with a perfect hate."
My personal opinion -- these folks should be put out of their misery, but like the article said,
Well gee I get to see them every day at least once. Lucky me! Those kids never had much of a chance when they were younger they were forced to spend the day from dawn to dusk peddling candy for their dad. Two of them escaped when they got older one was in the Way here, married a nice girl and last I knew has a business in California. The family disowned them. Lucky them!!! Most of the family are attorneys they have a big law firm here. They sue the city on a regular basis and generally win so they pretty much get their way now.
It's been over 30 years since I've worn the uniform, but by God, I'll put it back on and stand with the grieving family if these jerkoffs show up here.
The first amendment protects free speech. It does not grant the right to do what those people did. We've gone way overboard in allowing people to disrupt other people's peaceful activities.
The first amendment protects free speech. It does not grant the right to do what those people did. We've gone way overboard in allowing people to disrupt other people's peaceful activities.
Kinda like yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theatre, eh?
A funeral is a private occasion, IMO, even when conducted as a more "public" memorial/tribute where the community is welcome. Free speech doesn't give these nut cases the right to disturb grieving families. This Phelps guy is an embarrassment to the human race.
Thankfully the Phelps insanity defines itself well. Otherwise I personally would be tempted to let them visit the friendly end of my firepower!
Here's an excerpt about this sick puppy which if not insane would be almost comical.
quote:
Phelps also wrote a book in the 1980s with his son-in-law, Brent D. Roper, called "The Conspiracy." In the book, Roper and Phelps claim to possess evidence that: AIDS spontaneously generated in Africa; Truman Capote contracted the disease during an orgy with African tribesmen; Capote then gave the disease to John F. Kennedy and Robert Kennedy by playing football with them; that John F. Kennedy and Robert Kennedy had a menage a trois with Marilyn Monroe and gave her the disease; and that the CIA assassinated all three to prevent the spread of the disease. Phelps published and distributed the book himself; it was also sold in the back of Peter J. Peters catalogue of extremist literature, and thus became a widely circulated text among such groups as the Ku Klux Klan, Aryan Brotherhood, and Christian Identity.
One of them was in twi in Topeka? Well...from one cult to another...which, in this case, was terrifyingly (because twi was a better option than Westboro Baptist) good move for them...sigh.
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I'll never forget the first week we had pulled into town...driving around with California plates on our car (we were soooooo bold!)...ran into Freddy Boy and his gang at 10th and Gage...just sitting at the stop light minding our own business, trying not to stare at the freak show...and ol' Freddy jumps at me through my open passenger's side window and yells, "You're a lesbian and your 'boy' there is a faggot!"
Our kids (7 and 16 at the time) cracked up laughing...thankfully...as did we. We had never even heard of the clan until that day. Well, laughing at Freddy is one of the worst things you can do to him...as we were to find out later.
That day started an eleven year 'relationship' that was both frightening (Jonathan hit my husband with his SUV) and hilarious (we used to video tape Fred video taping us...and he'd call the cops and the cops would tell him there was nothing they could do about it because all of us were on public property and not breaking any laws...tee hee...we got some great videos of his foolishness!!!).
All in all I have to say that whatever the message, I am thankful that Fred and his clan have been able to hold the Topeka tyranny hounds at bay when it comes to a person's rights to protest.
Yet I also have to agree that there is a line in which one's 'rights' are no longer acceptable...and disturbing the peace of a private funeral is over that line...imo.
As far as the children are concerned...many, many times I made formal complaints to Child Protective Services about those children being out in extreme weather for hours and hours at a time. Nobody would even accept the complaint to investigate.
Had that been anybody else, CPS would have been all over those parents and most likely would have had those children in state's custody.
The city of Topeka used to give Freddy and his clan special police protection wherever they were 'protesting'.
The underlying message from the 'powers that be' in Topeka (both city and state governments) is that Freddy is right...and regardless of his actions, nobody official is going to look into the possibility of criminal activity.
When this point was made to the Topeka city council, instead of using their heads and looking at possible criminal activity, the Topeka city council chose, instead, to start drawing up laws aimed particularly at Freddy and his clan...which is an absolute no-no in a free country...which is why Freddy et al has been able to sue Topeka...and sometimes being successful.
As far as the state government is concerned, well, the Phelps law group is deeply engrained as an institution unto itself on behalf of the State of Kansas. The group practically runs every aspect of the Department of Corrections when it comes to parolees, the group is in deep where it concerns child support enforcement activities (I've heard...but don't know the truth of...that it was the Phelps' group that came up with the 'wanted' posters for those who are behind on their payments), if a person owes the State of Kansas any money for any reason, more than likely the collections activities will be handled by the Phelps'...and on and on.
In other words, the Phelps' are not just some right-wing, lunatic fringe cult group that nobody likes...
They are a highly regarded, deeply engrained, acceptable part of society both in the private and public sectors.
Of course, Kansas has a long, long history of such a relationship with such cults...
What amazes me more than the fact that someone like Fred Phelps exists is that there are other people willing to associate themselves with him. But then I think of groups like the KKK and it's not that much of a stretch.
As CW pointed out there have been some pluses attributed to this man. However for him to be an authority of any capacity in child support is what I'd deem an oxymoron. With what I've read of him he wouldn't qualify as one who dealt lovingly with his children. Although I imagine he'd argue he protected them. And to that in another world I might be tempted to say to each his own but in the real world his form of protection while claiming to stand on the statutes of God dips into the opposite of what my brother Jesus Christ exhibited on this earth.
So he gained and apparently from CW continues to in some capacity for the good of the community but while doing so the backdoor does swing wide open and shut as the activity to discredit and divide our nation makes itself known on occasion like this funeral.
To have so little personal dignity that you would use your right to stand and protest itself defines louder than I could preach for the remainder of my life.
Well...sometimes what's in my head very clearly doesn't make it to my posts quite as clearly...so I wanted to make absolutely sure this particular point was very clear. LOL
I'm taking a few hours off from multi-tasking...hehehehe.
: one who speaks or writes in defense of someone or something
Main Entry: 1sup·port
Pronunciation: s&-'pOrt, -'port
Function: transitive verb
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French supporter, from Late Latin supportare, from Latin, to carry, from sub- + portare to carry -- more at FARE
1 : to endure bravely or quietly : BEAR
2 a (1) : to promote the interests or cause of (2) : to uphold or defend as valid or right : ADVOCATE (3) : to argue or vote for b (1) : ASSIST, HELP (2) : to act with (a star actor) (3) : to bid in bridge so as to show support for c : to provide with substantiation : CORROBORATE
3 a : to pay the costs of : MAINTAIN b : to provide a basis for the existence or subsistence of
4 a : to hold up or serve as a foundation or prop for b : to maintain (a price) at a desired level by purchases or loans; also : to maintain the price of by purchases or loans
5 : to keep from fainting, yielding, or losing courage : COMFORT
6 : to keep (something) going
The difference may be subtle...in the eyes of some...but there is a huge difference.
(See? An apologist need not be ashamed! ;)--> LMAO!)
You know I was just messin with you!!! I just passed your pals on Gage at the church on 17th. They apparently dont like bricks either as there is no one else around the building they are picketing. I bet we could write a book with crazy Phelps stories. Yes Mark was in the Way here around 74 at the start of the western house.
They did finally discontinue the special police protection for them so it is open season now. Of course they will have it all on tape for court. I don't know about them being highly regarded though at least judging from the hand gestures I just saw anyway. :)--> Then again maybe they were trying to get their attention to wave hi --> But I doubt it.
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dmiller
Phelps and his group of hate-mongers have been here in Minney-soda protesting cr@p too.
They are about as *enlightened* as the cork up a monkey's a$$.
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They were protesting some homosexual issue up here in Duluth, and one of the kids involved in the protest was interviewed on tv, and asked about God's love, and she replied:
"God is Love. That is why He can hate with a perfect hate."
My personal opinion -- these folks should be put out of their misery, but like the article said,
It's a free country, and I can't argue with that.
David
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Well gee I get to see them every day at least once. Lucky me! Those kids never had much of a chance when they were younger they were forced to spend the day from dawn to dusk peddling candy for their dad. Two of them escaped when they got older one was in the Way here, married a nice girl and last I knew has a business in California. The family disowned them. Lucky them!!! Most of the family are attorneys they have a big law firm here. They sue the city on a regular basis and generally win so they pretty much get their way now.
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It's been over 30 years since I've worn the uniform, but by God, I'll put it back on and stand with the grieving family if these jerkoffs show up here.
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The first amendment protects free speech. It does not grant the right to do what those people did. We've gone way overboard in allowing people to disrupt other people's peaceful activities.
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Kinda like yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theatre, eh?
I agree.
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Linda Z
A funeral is a private occasion, IMO, even when conducted as a more "public" memorial/tribute where the community is welcome. Free speech doesn't give these nut cases the right to disturb grieving families. This Phelps guy is an embarrassment to the human race.
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Thankfully the Phelps insanity defines itself well. Otherwise I personally would be tempted to let them visit the friendly end of my firepower!
Here's an excerpt about this sick puppy which if not insane would be almost comical.
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White Dove,
One of them was in twi in Topeka? Well...from one cult to another...which, in this case, was terrifyingly (because twi was a better option than Westboro Baptist) good move for them...sigh.
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I'll never forget the first week we had pulled into town...driving around with California plates on our car (we were soooooo bold!)...ran into Freddy Boy and his gang at 10th and Gage...just sitting at the stop light minding our own business, trying not to stare at the freak show...and ol' Freddy jumps at me through my open passenger's side window and yells, "You're a lesbian and your 'boy' there is a faggot!"
Our kids (7 and 16 at the time) cracked up laughing...thankfully...as did we. We had never even heard of the clan until that day. Well, laughing at Freddy is one of the worst things you can do to him...as we were to find out later.
That day started an eleven year 'relationship' that was both frightening (Jonathan hit my husband with his SUV) and hilarious (we used to video tape Fred video taping us...and he'd call the cops and the cops would tell him there was nothing they could do about it because all of us were on public property and not breaking any laws...tee hee...we got some great videos of his foolishness!!!).
All in all I have to say that whatever the message, I am thankful that Fred and his clan have been able to hold the Topeka tyranny hounds at bay when it comes to a person's rights to protest.
Yet I also have to agree that there is a line in which one's 'rights' are no longer acceptable...and disturbing the peace of a private funeral is over that line...imo.
As far as the children are concerned...many, many times I made formal complaints to Child Protective Services about those children being out in extreme weather for hours and hours at a time. Nobody would even accept the complaint to investigate.
Had that been anybody else, CPS would have been all over those parents and most likely would have had those children in state's custody.
The city of Topeka used to give Freddy and his clan special police protection wherever they were 'protesting'.
The underlying message from the 'powers that be' in Topeka (both city and state governments) is that Freddy is right...and regardless of his actions, nobody official is going to look into the possibility of criminal activity.
When this point was made to the Topeka city council, instead of using their heads and looking at possible criminal activity, the Topeka city council chose, instead, to start drawing up laws aimed particularly at Freddy and his clan...which is an absolute no-no in a free country...which is why Freddy et al has been able to sue Topeka...and sometimes being successful.
As far as the state government is concerned, well, the Phelps law group is deeply engrained as an institution unto itself on behalf of the State of Kansas. The group practically runs every aspect of the Department of Corrections when it comes to parolees, the group is in deep where it concerns child support enforcement activities (I've heard...but don't know the truth of...that it was the Phelps' group that came up with the 'wanted' posters for those who are behind on their payments), if a person owes the State of Kansas any money for any reason, more than likely the collections activities will be handled by the Phelps'...and on and on.
In other words, the Phelps' are not just some right-wing, lunatic fringe cult group that nobody likes...
They are a highly regarded, deeply engrained, acceptable part of society both in the private and public sectors.
Of course, Kansas has a long, long history of such a relationship with such cults...
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Interesting, Chatty.
What amazes me more than the fact that someone like Fred Phelps exists is that there are other people willing to associate themselves with him. But then I think of groups like the KKK and it's not that much of a stretch.
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As CW pointed out there have been some pluses attributed to this man. However for him to be an authority of any capacity in child support is what I'd deem an oxymoron. With what I've read of him he wouldn't qualify as one who dealt lovingly with his children. Although I imagine he'd argue he protected them. And to that in another world I might be tempted to say to each his own but in the real world his form of protection while claiming to stand on the statutes of God dips into the opposite of what my brother Jesus Christ exhibited on this earth.
So he gained and apparently from CW continues to in some capacity for the good of the community but while doing so the backdoor does swing wide open and shut as the activity to discredit and divide our nation makes itself known on occasion like this funeral.
To have so little personal dignity that you would use your right to stand and protest itself defines louder than I could preach for the remainder of my life.
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Just in case I was ambiguous in my previous post...
I am not a supporter of the Phelps Cult.
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Dearest CW, I knew that yet one could wonder I imagine. Peace...love...dove.
I'm life multitasking so if you should reply and I not you'll understand why.
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Well...sometimes what's in my head very clearly doesn't make it to my posts quite as clearly...so I wanted to make absolutely sure this particular point was very clear. LOL
I'm taking a few hours off from multi-tasking...hehehehe.
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Oh Cool come on fess up we know you are a Phelps apologist.
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David, I have apparently confused you; my apologies.
You said : "My personal opinion -- these folks should be put out of their misery"
About whom were you speaking?
We're both confused, but surely can clear it up in a few posts here.
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(In his dreams, GarthP aims a high powered rifle at Freddie boy)
Does that answer your question?
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White Dove,
An apologist I may be...for some of the things he and his clan do...but one who supports, I am not.
From Merriam-Webster online:
The difference may be subtle...in the eyes of some...but there is a huge difference.
(See? An apologist need not be ashamed!
;)--> LMAO!)
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I was referring to the bozo with a soapbox.
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Thanks David, I'm sorry I misunderstood
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Hey Cool
You know I was just messin with you!!! I just passed your pals on Gage at the church on 17th. They apparently dont like bricks either as there is no one else around the building they are picketing. I bet we could write a book with crazy Phelps stories. Yes Mark was in the Way here around 74 at the start of the western house.
They did finally discontinue the special police protection for them so it is open season now. Of course they will have it all on tape for court. I don't know about them being highly regarded though at least judging from the hand gestures I just saw anyway.
:)--> Then again maybe they were trying to get their attention to wave hi 
--> But I doubt it.
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Oh now I get it they were trying to tell them they are number 1..
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