Oh, and BTW, if religion and Godly worship and all that are so vital to a good, healthy, fulfilling life and all, why is it that life expectancy was only 28 yrs. in the time of Christ and is in the mid-70s today?
because, for starters, that phrase "the time of christ" does NOT equal what you imply that it does
not to me, not to many
Have we gotten that much more holy, closer to God, over the centuries?
yes, and no, for more reasons you probably care to hear..
- for one: finding out what one means when they say "God" seems higher priority than premature blah blah
- another: the notion that "god" is some "thing" here or there does not cover all concepts of "god"
- and then there is all kinds of other stuff...
And all throught the Dark Ages - even though people were building cathedrals and attending mass and paying obeisance to The Almighty, nothing improved.
again, comparing apples and oranges. and its not that simple
but also, making a very naive assumption that nothing improved in any category whatsoever
or that the "dark ages" is some sort of monolithic singular event with one linear cause and effect event
besides, evolution is a fox trot affair. it rises in waves and leaps at times, often including periods of evolutionary regression, which provides oomph for more leaps
But come the renaissance, and a rebirth of scientific thought and inquiry, lo and behold our quality and length of life improves exponentially. Gosh, I wonder why that is?
and like ive said before...but you continue to ignore...rational rugged individualistic thought evolved from the limits of mythic family structures...but this new stage has its own limits, which has produced higher (more effective) structures, which also have their new limits
but overall, the earlier structures do remain vital, for reasons you often seem quite disinterested in.
but a lot of it has to do with healthy community behaviour, and healthy childlike behaviour
as they come through the increasing higher structures
(just as rational thought and behaviour gets more valuable as it comes through even higher structures (such as greater equality, more inclusive rights))
geo, i think yer a very smart guy.
most clear with yer intent, of the skeptical and cynical crowd
maybe try reading and thinking outside of your comfort zone or something
i repeat...not all mentioning of "god" is the same thing
though i will agree that the flat groupthink mythic family aspects of culture
and the flat narcissistic personal magic friend aspects of culture
are getting out of hand, and are clashing with a lot of flat conventional wisdom right now
(which has a lot to do with the limits of all parties involved, when they are flat)
like ive said all along
skepticism is a vital part of our overall being
i promote greater skepticism
but in a way that does not reduce "truth"
but rather expands it
i have never said skepticism is to be marginalized
ha! yet most all that comes out of his mouth is "crap! crap! crap! crap! crap!"
who cant see the "poop" everywhere
the elephant is in the room, garth
and your posts are that room
so i am going to return the favor
and crap on you, too
...say "cheese"
(etc., etc., ad nauseum)
Chief, you DO need a 2 week vacation. Really! You do! ... Get a grip, ok? You say you are an atheist? Funny, you don't act like one.
Socks,
"Some of the unbelievers I know can tell of accounts that will drop your jaw."
I think we're getting a little full of ourselves, aren't we? I know I am.
Full of myself because of that point I made about some of the crap that happens to unbelievers? Tell you what. Take this lil experiment. Move to a small town where you KNOW nobody knows you. At all. For about 2 weeks. Play like you're an atheist. Get to know the locals there; be nice and all (wouldn't want to be like me now, would ya? ;) ) As you're getting to know them and they bring up "Where do you go to church" or they invite you to church, make sure that you tell them that you're an atheist, and that you don't believe in any mythical god and such, and come up with a clearly non-Christian reason why. Do it nicely, of course, but be honest and straight forward about being an atheist. (Remember, this is is a part to play; I know that you aren't an actual atheist)
The lessons you will learn and the experience you will go through will be eye opening, of that I am sure about. :blink: You will get responses ranging anywhere from people (condescendingly) offering to pray for your soul, to saying that you will burn in hell for not accepting Jesus, to angry looks and mutterings under people's breath, to not being able to land a job because of it, to even the distinct possibility of threats and even violence upon your person. (Yes Virginia, all of this has occured in this free land of ours, it really has) Ie., its something you won't soon forget.
And you blathely discard this as 'being full of myself'? ... Yah! And Clinton never lied either!
Oh wait! That's right. Only Christians get persecuted now, don't they? Why you can just see it in Sircomplainalot's posts, while me, Sudo and other 'infidels' poop on their parade by simply responding on this thread why we don't believe.
Like I said, you folks are just going to have to deal with us and our unbelief, cause we ain't going away.
(as a last resort to ease Sirguessalot's needless pain and anger from my so-called 'poop' posts, I offer him a .)
B)
I do have a question for you tho' to consider whilst you are enjoying the Stroh's, Why do you say that I'm dodging and distracting? From what? And please be as specific and non-poetic as you can please, cuz frankly guy, a lot of what you posted in my direction either didn't make sense, or it doesn't even begin to address the points I made. Or that Sudo made for that matter. And I ask that in all honesty.
as a last resort to ease Sirguessalot's needless pain and anger from my so-called 'poop' posts, I offer him a
yep...clink, thank you
i like yer last resort a lot
i wish you would use it more often
lets make believe we are sharing a beer
:)
tho, i am curious how you decide whose pain is needful and whose is needless?
I do have a question for you tho' to consider whilst you are enjoying the Stroh's, Why do you say that I'm dodging and distracting? From what? And please be as specific and non-poetic as you can please, cuz frankly guy, a lot of what you posted in my direction either didn't make sense, or it doesn't even begin to address the points I made. Or that Sudo made for that matter. And I ask that in all honesty.
imo, an example of your distraction is when you bring something entirely new to the argument...outta the blue...without addressing whats already on the table..simply adding to the burden of the existing discourse
you dodged most all of the issues ive raised
you offered a distraction...a memory to convey something you seem to want me to do
(which is quite beside the overall point, i think)
i want to know why you want to write about having a beer, here?
what does that have to do with clay's thread?
and...is it possible that you have assumed and continue to assume things in error regarding the original nature of the thread?
can you pretend for a moment, that something might be more serious or complex to others than they are to you?
and give more respect to that?
in this public space?
i dont know how i can be clearer than that
not everyone has a problem reading what ive written
don't you wonder why that is?
with all your funny hmmmm? hmmm? hmmms?
i believe there IS such thing as harrassment
conscious or unconscious
its not always hard to miss
i am doing it now, in fact
but i have also been focusing on a very specific context
such as this forum discussion
i am not harrassing you in the name of evil atheism everywhere
thats not my gig at all
i also know i am henpecking you like yer momma and papa
it was a decision i made to be this way, here, now
i had to barf somewhere, too
but tried to keep it more closely related to why i felt i needed to barf in the first place
im actually trying to help UP-level the dialogue around here
without always having to run through a gauntlet of scopes and knives
i would prefer things to be more brotherlylike
but that would require a more open equal way of interacting
as a first measure, too
not the darwinian discourse that usually takes place
No CM, I don't think we're even talking the same language.
There's obviously a huge disconnect between what we say and what the other perceives (especially so with Mr. SGaL, whose verbose prose I NEVER understand).
Maybe we exist on different ethereal planes?
Looky, EVERYBODY with a moderately functioning brain believes that we have AIR. What's not to believe?
Likewise with life. We all have one, more or less. Where do you get the notion that there are some who DON'T? And, as was pointed out earlier, "the boundless heart" or "unbinding" a bound up one (would Metamucil help with that?) is meaningless blather. Very poetic, but it communicates nothing.
So, what I got out of your post (and I think others of a skeptical bent got as well) was simply another smear, another swipe at the way I think. "How can you NOT believe in the stuff that I do?" "Don't you have any heart?" "Has the Devil blinded you?" "Are you so out of touch with the important spiritual stuff all around you that you can't see what I do?" - That's what I read in you initial post. Was I so far off?
Absolutely, and NOBODY is disputing that, near as I can tell. So why ask the question?
Have you ever even HEARD of anybody who doesn't believe in air? Or life? I guess I just don't get it.
It strikes me as just silly. Trying to equate invisible things to spiritual is a stretch as well. Air and life can still be detected with the five senses. The fact that you can't sense them [/i]visually is hardly profound. There's lots of things I can't smell, or hear, or touch, but I still believe in them, because they CAN be sensed. Bah, I on a fool's errand here, trying to reason with someone who seems bound and determined to reject any such...
And if you could explain what you mean by a "boundless heart", MAYBE we could discuss it.
As it stands, well, I've already explained my position on that clearly enough, I think.
ok, dont let me stop you guys from leaving this one, this time
but maybe this might help you/us line things up and figure em out a bit more
(ok...imagine i'm speaking with a sleek mellow feminine european crystal clear computer voice, if you will)
:mellow:
it could be said
that simple subtle things like air
have long been found to have values
that are simply and radically more good, more true, and more beautiful
than your persent personal beliefs and cultural/social threshholds will allow
...as they are being represented
here
now
correct me if im wrong,
but you seem to insist that we must conclude that air be only merely true
or only merely beautiful
or only merely good
to be sane
or rational
which is just another flavor of crazy
and that you seek to intervene and repair and otherwise affect serves a true as purpose as anything else
but your typical limited partial prescription for healing and well being does not work as well as you realize, (or are willing to admit),
nor does it seem to provide an explanation for every available perspective and state of mind as they are becoming known to humankind, in general
yours is more like a half of the story (and constantly getting less) yet claiming to tell the whole shebang
besides,
not everyone in playing candlyland needs or wants an anal-probe or poolhall banter
(both of which are always just another man's candyland, anyway)
it has long ago been proven that a greater sense of self-awareness and mutual respect provides more leverage for greater reaches of most lines of intellegence, in general
and...again...thank you for going away
because
others
and i
just
want
to
actually
really
truly
have
this
kind
of
public
con
ver
friggin
say
tion
(oops...crazy man voice slipped in a sec...back to the alien tour guide)
...conversation about a boundless heart, air...invisible things one can only feel
(unless one changes lenses, of course...then we also see it)
yes...it is true, some genuinely feel they have a right to talk about mere air
and the possible reasons people cant believe there might something more to air that might be worth talking about more
Sirguess... when was your period of heaviest acid use? Was it back in the early 70's? (some very good acid back then) or was it in the 80's or 90's? (in which case it may not have really been acid at all)...
I might be wrong - or dense - or just hopeful......buuuuuutt.......
It seems to me that this thread is a sort of "tag poetry" the type of thread that song writers and poets would like to post on - not a doctrinal thing, not a complaining about the way thing at all (Which is why I never posted on it -I'm not a poet - But I have been reading it.)
So lets stop straining at gnats about what a "boundless heart" might be.
seems to me more like an attempt at the art and science of play at self-inquiry via discourse
in just about every culture and tradition, old and new and newer
there are all kinds of simple and effective methods for subjective and inter-subjective exploration and discovery
where asking better and smarter questions is more effective than coming up with final answers
though answers also abound
some thoughts...try not to let the answers upset you too much
or take anything as seriously
stay curious
and get as specific as you want
"tag-poetry" is a fun way to put it, though
but it can and does go way way beyond that
higher, wider, greater span and depth of dialogue and value for the participants
So lets stop straining at gnats about what a "boundless heart" might be.
yes..and...also...
why not find a way to get good at straining all the gnats we can without taking ourselves too seriously? without shadow-boxing ourselves into the same circular arguments?
personally, i cant wait to get the to subject of a boundless heart
:P
btw....wise old owl...
just how many licks does it take to get to the center of a boundless heart?
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sirguessalot
not to me, not to many
yes, and no, for more reasons you probably care to hear..
- for one: finding out what one means when they say "God" seems higher priority than premature blah blah
- another: the notion that "god" is some "thing" here or there does not cover all concepts of "god"
- and then there is all kinds of other stuff...
again, comparing apples and oranges. and its not that simplebut also, making a very naive assumption that nothing improved in any category whatsoever
or that the "dark ages" is some sort of monolithic singular event with one linear cause and effect event
besides, evolution is a fox trot affair. it rises in waves and leaps at times, often including periods of evolutionary regression, which provides oomph for more leaps
and like ive said before...but you continue to ignore...rational rugged individualistic thought evolved from the limits of mythic family structures...but this new stage has its own limits, which has produced higher (more effective) structures, which also have their new limits
but overall, the earlier structures do remain vital, for reasons you often seem quite disinterested in.
but a lot of it has to do with healthy community behaviour, and healthy childlike behaviour
as they come through the increasing higher structures
(just as rational thought and behaviour gets more valuable as it comes through even higher structures (such as greater equality, more inclusive rights))
geo, i think yer a very smart guy.
most clear with yer intent, of the skeptical and cynical crowd
maybe try reading and thinking outside of your comfort zone or something
i repeat...not all mentioning of "god" is the same thing
though i will agree that the flat groupthink mythic family aspects of culture
and the flat narcissistic personal magic friend aspects of culture
are getting out of hand, and are clashing with a lot of flat conventional wisdom right now
(which has a lot to do with the limits of all parties involved, when they are flat)
like ive said all along
skepticism is a vital part of our overall being
i promote greater skepticism
but in a way that does not reduce "truth"
but rather expands it
i have never said skepticism is to be marginalized
i love a really sharp set of knives
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Sirguessalot (my, but that name fits you well),
Chief, you DO need a 2 week vacation. Really! You do! ... Get a grip, ok?Socks,
Full of myself because of that point I made about some of the crap that happens to unbelievers? Tell you what. Take this lil experiment. Move to a small town where you KNOW nobody knows you. At all. For about 2 weeks. Play like you're an atheist. Get to know the locals there; be nice and all (wouldn't want to be like me now, would ya? ;) ) As you're getting to know them and they bring up "Where do you go to church" or they invite you to church, make sure that you tell them that you're an atheist, and that you don't believe in any mythical god and such, and come up with a clearly non-Christian reason why. Do it nicely, of course, but be honest and straight forward about being an atheist. (Remember, this is is a part to play; I know that you aren't an actual atheist)
The lessons you will learn and the experience you will go through will be eye opening, of that I am sure about. :blink: You will get responses ranging anywhere from people (condescendingly) offering to pray for your soul, to saying that you will burn in hell for not accepting Jesus, to angry looks and mutterings under people's breath, to not being able to land a job because of it, to even the distinct possibility of threats and even violence upon your person. (Yes Virginia, all of this has occured in this free land of ours, it really has) Ie., its something you won't soon forget.
And you blathely discard this as 'being full of myself'? ... Yah! And Clinton never lied either!
Oh wait! That's right. Only Christians get persecuted now, don't they? Why you can just see it in Sircomplainalot's posts, while me, Sudo and other 'infidels' poop on their parade by simply responding on this thread why we don't believe.
Like I said, you folks are just going to have to deal with us and our unbelief, cause we ain't going away.
Doncha just LUV us Bearers of Good Tidings!
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and to participate in this thread, specifically
and btw...just because YOU dont understand me (or care to), doesnt make me crazy, dude
in fact, that is kind of a crazy way to be, imo
..."i dont undertand you, therefore you hafta get a grip for my sake..."
classic dodge to go with your lame advice
nice try...slick...but you dont do fake being pious very well, either
"what? what? i was just simply saying...."
yeah...right
thanks for clarifying your intentions
but your unbelief does NOT apply to every time religious language is invoked
and your opinion of religion does NOT cover every kind of religious dialogue
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(as I read Sirrantalot's posts, that song of "Get Over It!" keeps humming in my mind)
Get over it
Get over it
All this whinin' and cryin' and pitchin' a fit
Get over it, get over it
B)
Anyway, looks like you don't know me either, yet you make some of the most outrageous and knee jerk claims about me I've seen yet.
Go back on vacation, pop some pills, listen to some Lawrence Welk, but in any event, ... Get a grip!
((shaking my head))
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then dodge distract evade...like a smeagol with some kind of obsession
no, i dont know you, garth
i am addressing your written behaviour
with my written behaviour
which is neither you nor i
but what comes out of us
all yer whining and crying and pitching a fit about religion and things that confuse you...
yes indeed
get over it
get over it
get over it
especially "it"
cuz you too, are the proud owner of a boundless heart, imo
you just havent unwrapped it all the way yet
and try picturing me saying this as an atheist, if it makes you feel better, and helps you see
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Uuhhmmmm ... okay
(as a last resort to ease Sirguessalot's needless pain and anger from my so-called 'poop' posts, I offer him a
.)
B)
I do have a question for you tho' to consider whilst you are enjoying the Stroh's, Why do you say that I'm dodging and distracting? From what? And please be as specific and non-poetic as you can please, cuz frankly guy, a lot of what you posted in my direction either didn't make sense, or it doesn't even begin to address the points I made. Or that Sudo made for that matter. And I ask that in all honesty.
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i like yer last resort a lot
i wish you would use it more often
lets make believe we are sharing a beer
:)
tho, i am curious how you decide whose pain is needful and whose is needless?
imo, an example of your distraction is when you bring something entirely new to the argument...outta the blue...without addressing whats already on the table..simply adding to the burden of the existing discourse
you dodged most all of the issues ive raised
you offered a distraction...a memory to convey something you seem to want me to do
(which is quite beside the overall point, i think)
i want to know why you want to write about having a beer, here?
what does that have to do with clay's thread?
and...is it possible that you have assumed and continue to assume things in error regarding the original nature of the thread?
can you pretend for a moment, that something might be more serious or complex to others than they are to you?
and give more respect to that?
in this public space?
i dont know how i can be clearer than that
not everyone has a problem reading what ive written
don't you wonder why that is?
with all your funny hmmmm? hmmm? hmmms?
i believe there IS such thing as harrassment
conscious or unconscious
its not always hard to miss
i am doing it now, in fact
but i have also been focusing on a very specific context
such as this forum discussion
i am not harrassing you in the name of evil atheism everywhere
thats not my gig at all
i also know i am henpecking you like yer momma and papa
it was a decision i made to be this way, here, now
i had to barf somewhere, too
but tried to keep it more closely related to why i felt i needed to barf in the first place
im actually trying to help UP-level the dialogue around here
without always having to run through a gauntlet of scopes and knives
i would prefer things to be more brotherlylike
but that would require a more open equal way of interacting
as a first measure, too
not the darwinian discourse that usually takes place
again
im not sure why its mostly not clear to you
but mostly clear to not only a few others
again...thanks for the clink
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Now had it been said like this;
how can you not believe in..
in the dirty air you breath
in the life you have to live
in the achey breaky heart
?
i wonder if anyone would have said anything at all
why are the strengths attacked rather then strenghtened?
the weaknesses are easy to attack i suppose...
and probably should have said
how can one (instead of you) not believe in..
would that make it easier too?
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No CM, I don't think we're even talking the same language.
There's obviously a huge disconnect between what we say and what the other perceives (especially so with Mr. SGaL, whose verbose prose I NEVER understand).
Maybe we exist on different ethereal planes?
Looky, EVERYBODY with a moderately functioning brain believes that we have AIR. What's not to believe?
Likewise with life. We all have one, more or less. Where do you get the notion that there are some who DON'T? And, as was pointed out earlier, "the boundless heart" or "unbinding" a bound up one (would Metamucil help with that?) is meaningless blather. Very poetic, but it communicates nothing.
So, what I got out of your post (and I think others of a skeptical bent got as well) was simply another smear, another swipe at the way I think. "How can you NOT believe in the stuff that I do?" "Don't you have any heart?" "Has the Devil blinded you?" "Are you so out of touch with the important spiritual stuff all around you that you can't see what I do?" - That's what I read in you initial post. Was I so far off?
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...to you, i would add
which is where a big part of the disconnect is, it seems
but i'll try and step out of the way and let Clay speak for himself
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1 air, 1 life, 1 heart multiplied
infinitey diverse and rich without boundaries
when i said the air you breath
what did you picture in your mind?
you can't see it
when i said the life you live
what did you picture in your mind?
i can't see it
when i said the boundless heart
who sees it?
how can ONE not believe in...
air is there believe it or not
your life is there wether i believe it or not
when you were born you didn't know you were breathing air
at 3 you probably understood a lot about air
still can't see it
the boundless heart is there
believe it or not
todd i'm just wingin on a prayer
don't let me hold you back...
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O.K., my last try...
"air is there believe it or not
your life is there wether i believe it or not"
Absolutely, and NOBODY is disputing that, near as I can tell. So why ask the question?
Have you ever even HEARD of anybody who doesn't believe in air? Or life? I guess I just don't get it.
It strikes me as just silly. Trying to equate invisible things to spiritual is a stretch as well. Air and life can still be detected with the five senses. The fact that you can't sense them [/i]visually is hardly profound. There's lots of things I can't smell, or hear, or touch, but I still believe in them, because they CAN be sensed. Bah, I on a fool's errand here, trying to reason with someone who seems bound and determined to reject any such...
And if you could explain what you mean by a "boundless heart", MAYBE we could discuss it.
As it stands, well, I've already explained my position on that clearly enough, I think.
There ya go, it's all yours from here on...
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I'm with ya George. Time to leave Candyland to those who enjoy that sort of thing.
(where's a poopy smiley when ya need it?)
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I liked the Penn & Teller
Thing about Elvis and
The inconsistencies of the
Theologians, but I don't know
Whether that makes the
Theologians the ones that
Are wrong or right or the
Folks who believe them
I am sad however to learn
There are some who doubt
The legitimacy of the tooth fairy
I know that teeth have brought
Many in Sudo's profession
Much gain in the bank account
So I'll choose to believe
That by typing like this
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JumpinJive
And now to the tooth fairy?? You're right, George. I forsee no reasonable dialogue in the near future. Shame...
-JJ
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For some I am the tooth fairy.
But I am not the walrus.
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goo goo g'joob
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ok, dont let me stop you guys from leaving this one, this time
but maybe this might help you/us line things up and figure em out a bit more
(ok...imagine i'm speaking with a sleek mellow feminine european crystal clear computer voice, if you will)
:mellow:
it could be said
that simple subtle things like air
have long been found to have values
that are simply and radically more good, more true, and more beautiful
than your persent personal beliefs and cultural/social threshholds will allow
...as they are being represented
here
now
correct me if im wrong,
but you seem to insist that we must conclude that air be only merely true
or only merely beautiful
or only merely good
to be sane
or rational
which is just another flavor of crazy
and that you seek to intervene and repair and otherwise affect serves a true as purpose as anything else
but your typical limited partial prescription for healing and well being does not work as well as you realize, (or are willing to admit),
nor does it seem to provide an explanation for every available perspective and state of mind as they are becoming known to humankind, in general
yours is more like a half of the story (and constantly getting less) yet claiming to tell the whole shebang
besides,
not everyone in playing candlyland needs or wants an anal-probe or poolhall banter
(both of which are always just another man's candyland, anyway)
it has long ago been proven that a greater sense of self-awareness and mutual respect provides more leverage for greater reaches of most lines of intellegence, in general
and...again...thank you for going away
because
others
and i
just
want
to
actually
really
truly
have
this
kind
of
public
con
ver
friggin
say
tion
(oops...crazy man voice slipped in a sec...back to the alien tour guide)
...conversation about a boundless heart, air...invisible things one can only feel
(unless one changes lenses, of course...then we also see it)
yes...it is true, some genuinely feel they have a right to talk about mere air
and the possible reasons people cant believe there might something more to air that might be worth talking about more
:blink:
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Sirguess... when was your period of heaviest acid use? Was it back in the early 70's? (some very good acid back then) or was it in the 80's or 90's? (in which case it may not have really been acid at all)...
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Tell me, Strange Tom, why do you ask about LSD?
and...is it also fair for me to ask what kind of drugs you have done in your life?
or ask what drugs you might be on now?
i mean, are you simply curious?
i want to know why you ask?
i dont want to assume anything
which is why i am asking you to clarify
so i can answer you better
also, the topic of drugs and consciousness is an interesting one
maybe start another thread and invite me to it
i will tell you as much as i can
if you are more clear
more specific
besides, this
is not an honest question
but a loaded one
wherz the luv in that, man?
help me see
why you see
that it has to do with
a boundless heart
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Tom Strange
no problem... mine was in the early 70's... 71-74... (as far as acid goes) :)
the only drugs I take now are for the occasional back spasm, etc... prescribed by the doctor!
(got to set a good example you know)
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doojable
I might be wrong - or dense - or just hopeful......buuuuuutt.......
It seems to me that this thread is a sort of "tag poetry" the type of thread that song writers and poets would like to post on - not a doctrinal thing, not a complaining about the way thing at all (Which is why I never posted on it -I'm not a poet - But I have been reading it.)
So lets stop straining at gnats about what a "boundless heart" might be.
I don't
know
Am I
Right?
Guys?
:)
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sirguessalot
which is good, imo
seems to me more like an attempt at the art and science of play at self-inquiry via discourse
in just about every culture and tradition, old and new and newer
there are all kinds of simple and effective methods for subjective and inter-subjective exploration and discovery
where asking better and smarter questions is more effective than coming up with final answers
though answers also abound
some thoughts...try not to let the answers upset you too much
or take anything as seriously
stay curious
and get as specific as you want
"tag-poetry" is a fun way to put it, though
but it can and does go way way beyond that
higher, wider, greater span and depth of dialogue and value for the participants
yes..and...also...
why not find a way to get good at straining all the gnats we can without taking ourselves too seriously? without shadow-boxing ourselves into the same circular arguments?
personally, i cant wait to get the to subject of a boundless heart
:P
btw....wise old owl...
just how many licks does it take to get to the center of a boundless heart?
1 (lick...)
2 (lick...)
3 (crunch!)
hmmm
seems to be 3
or so
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CM
well...before take a nice nite's sleep
thought maybe somebody would have googled
it by now...
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