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  1. Well, I suppose it's time again. The Oswego WOWs actually found me on Facebook. And I think Diane has a page there too, although she doesn't appear to access it very often. -JJ
  2. There is barely proof he existed, much less rose from the dead. -JJ
  3. Good point on the man picking up sticks, Raf. The other that always bothers me is God striking Uzzah dead for touching the ark after the oxen stumbled. -JJ
  4. If I only had a nickle for every time someone told me Christendom has been caught in a delusion. -JJ
  5. Well, I suppose I'll ask again for the fun of it. Anybody heard anything? -JJ
  6. It was actually a class on the OT that led me to throw my 'research' books in the trash. It was through Restoration Fellowship and covered the first half of the OT. About the time I got to the dismembered concubine in Judges, I'd had enough. Upon further reflection, I realized that after years of trying, none of the so-called "promises" had come to pass anywhere around me. I tossed the research books and discovered Bart Ehrman. None of that is to say the Bible hasn't had a huge impact on Western Civilization. There might not be evidence of the Exodus but the story has had a wide ranging, and I would argue positive, impact on the world. It's those kind of things I look into now, i.e., the principles discussed in the Bible and how they have been implemented and their impact on humanity. We seem to be creatures with leanings towards religion. Somehow it seems to provide comfort in a remarkably screwed up world. -JJ
  7. Thanks, Raf! I didn't even think of it in terms of Greasespot's rules. It was just quick observation. Thanks for staying on top of it!!
  8. Sounds more like a loosely disguised political diatribe to me. I bounced around quite a bit during my years after TheWay and don't recall ever coming across the kind of hate he's claiming permeates Christianity in America. An isolated pocket here and there but that's about it. Now, if he wants to discuss the emptiness of the practices as opposed to the promises. I'd be all in.
  9. Cool! Thanks, Rocky! He does that on occasion. Sadly, I already have it.
  10. I have found his books to be honest and thought provoking. The of them in particular changed how I think about Christianity and a large number of doctrines promoted by The Way. I'm looking forward to the conversation if I can find the Questioning Faith location.
  11. I'm trying to listen to the interview with Ralph and am getting this when clicking on the 'The Interview' link: Strict Standards: Declaration of xclDBTable::store() should be compatible with mosDBTable::store($updateNulls = false) in /home/grease/public_html/main2/administrator/components/com_sef/includes/sef.common.php on line 156Fatal error: Cannot re-assign auto-global variable _POST in /home/grease/public_html/main2/administrator/components/com_sef/sef.functions.php on line 1016
  12. Cribbage! My dad's game. Sadly, haven't played that one in years either.
  13. Used to back in the day. My twig leader got me playing. Haven't played in years though.
  14. Thanks, Steve! Excellent discussion as always!!
  15. Who is Miguel A. De La Torre? I downloaded a Kindle sample of the book and it reads like a Marxist revolutionary pamphlet. I much prefer your writing, Steve. -JJ
  16. I don't think that's the case, WW. He has said repeatedly that miracles, including the resurrection, are not historically provable. They may or may not have happened but believing they did is a theological proposition, not an historical one. I wish this stuff was historically provable. It would resolve a lot of issues. -JJ
  17. Anybody hear anything about John Lynn. I thought I read somewhere that he was diagnosed with lymphoma. Anyone else hear that? -JJ
  18. Good points, guys! Yeah, WordWolf, I'm laughing to myself after reading your post. That's basically what I did when I went to the offshoots and the Church of God, Abrahamic Faith. These days I spend much more time evaluating what people are selling, no matter what the source. I've found I enjoy the process and that it's really a lifelong effort. Steve, I definitely agree that at the twig level there were some fine people doing wonderful things. That's probably why I hung out as long as I did. Hey, ya think we're helping Nate? :) -JJ
  19. But the real tipping point was LCM claiming that God couldn't spit in my direction if I wasn't giving money above and beyond the tithe. At that moment I remember realizing, without the usual mental fog and anxiety that usually attended such thoughts, that TWI's priorities and practices weren't really biblical. The next day I began my organized withdrawal from the ministry. That got me rethinking the doctrines I had internalized. I hung with the offshoots for a while, especially CES, but eventually that wore thin as well. Then, on a whim, I picked up "Misquoting Jesus" by Bart Ehrman and my world of othordoxy got rocked. -JJ
  20. That the bible fits like a hand in a glove, that "all nine all the time" was a practical reality, that "name it and claim it" was an acceptable and effective way to receive the blessings of God, etc., etc... Things along those lines, Steve. On rare occasions, I'll listen to an old Sunday Night Teaching by the Vicster and be amazed at his rhetorical skills. Too bad he preached a lot of error and allowed evil to dominate in his life. -JJ
  21. I started looking into textual criticism and the historical Jesus and that pretty much broke me of any orthodoxy I had left. I have to admit though, it hung on for a long time and even now, some 25 years after leaving The Way, I sometimes find myself wishing it were true. Oh well, live and learn. -JJ
  22. I'd be interested in hearing about that, Steve! I think the issues have been confused and confusing for quite some time, maybe back to the beginnings. -JJ
  23. Good luck with that. My heart is with you but I can't get my head to believe that we'll ever get to the point where our interpretation of the gift of holy spirit is complete. I'm currently following a discussion on a message board of the Church of God Abrahamic Faith, a group that I thought was tightly knit. They can't agree among themselves on even just tongues, much less all the rest. I may have to borrow that poem and post it for them. :) I do agree with your statement: "When people ask me to pray for them, I do. Usually a brief request that God bless them in whatever way they need to be blessed." I do that as well. I don't believe God requires any more than that and I'm not convinced we do either. Best to all, -JJ
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