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  1. I always took it to mean that it was possible to operate any of them at any given moment. Not that I would, just possible. I got that straight from the Bible. I actually knew and believed that before I ever took PFAL. If somebody brainwashed me on that, it wasn't VP. I'm curious. I know a lot of folks don't believe the manifestations. Hope you don't mind me asking where you stand on the matter? Whatever you say, I won't argue.
  2. How you doing Rocky? Where did I suggest it should be taken literally? If you read my post carefully (even a casual perusal would suffice) you would see I actually said quite the opposite. To actually do all nine all the time would be impossible. For example, take just one, say prophecy. To operate it "all the time" would necessitate that one attend a fellowship of believers all day long, 24, 7, 365. Clearly not possible. I always took it to mean it was POSSIBLE to operate any one of them at any time. The Bible is my source. I've probably read way more literature than the average college grad (Russian, English, American, Chinese, et. al.), What makes you think otherwise? Split infinitives? Dangling Participles? Then there's this: Let him who has never used a cliché in their entire lifetime cast the first stone.... Take care...Rich
  3. I suppose "all nine all the time" is a bit of a meaningless cliche. I never should have said that, and I'll never say it again. You are closer to the truth of the matter. "All nine all the time" taken literately would mean tongues, interpretation, word of knowledge, wisdom, etc all at once and every minute of the day. Clearly not possible. Good catch!
  4. 1 Cor 13:13, And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity. Faith heals (Matt 9:22, Acts 3:16, Acts 14:9, et. al.), sins forgiven (Matt 9:2), hearts purified (Acts 15:9), moves mountains (Matt 17:20), it justifies (Rom 3:26), and much, much more. Bottom line; faith is a wonderful thing to have. It enables all born again believers to receive into manifestation all the things God has made available to them. Hope is pretty good too. Let’s face it, things don’t always go the way we’d like them to go. Life can be cruel indeed, despite our best efforts to believe God. But if you have the hope of Christ’s return and his setting up the new heavens and new earth, then those days are fewer and less intense. This world is not fair, nor will it ever be fair. Sometimes, terrible things happen that you don’t deserve. The reality; it can’t be helped in this world. So looking ahead gives comfort and peace. So hope, along with faith, is a very good thing God gave us in his word. But as good as faith and hope are, according to 1 Cor 13:13, charity (agape) is the greatest. What makes is it that is greater than faith and hope? That is the subject of the first 12 verses of 1 Corinthians 13, and is worth a read. Here is the crux of the matter; 1 Jn 4:10-11: "Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another." Does this mean you should love even those brothers who disagree with your doctrine? Absolutely. “One another” is pretty simple. That is who God exhorts you to love. There are no conditions attached in these verses. The standard for that? Col 3:13: "Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye." What did Christ forgive you of? Anything less than the next guy? Have you, who have been wronged, never wrong somebody else? We all do the same things in the flesh (Rom 2:1). It’s hard to do with some believers, but God clearly wants his children to love and forgive each other. No point in trying to come up with reasons to not love this brother or that brother. It’s patently against God’s will. Better to not ask questions, just love and forgive.
  5. I tried to send a private message to you, but I guess you don't accept them. Sorry, but I have to make this public: Not that I will do anything about it, but you should be careful with your words. On July 6 You said: You (Robson) better start "all 9 all the time" for "real" now. Again, I'm not worried and won't report it or anything, but my immediate thought upon reading it was, "Is that a threat?". I don't know who you are or your general disposition, so I don't know what you are capable of doing, or at least trying to do. Nonetheless, I'm treating it as nothing more than an idle threat for now. Let's keep it that way. Friendly advice, that's all. Take care....Rich
  6. Leave it to the scholars, Christian scholars no less, to come up with a psychosis for those who study the Bible! Well God bless, I love them anyway. I read the article in Wiki. Not much scripture, but I guess that would defeat the purpose of the article. OK. Let's say it's not rhema., but logos, as I understand you are saying. Where do you go for logos? Where does one find...all things that pertain unto life and godliness...(2 Peter 1:3)? I've never even read that anywhere but the rhema. Where is it in the logos? I'm always open to discovering new truths. Up to now I've always gone to the rhema for them. Are there others in logos somewhere I'm not aware of? God bless
  7. Probably more than you want to know (it is for me) about pros, but here is a good link, Pros. "...,the word was with God..." btw, God is in the accusative case, which is relevant to the meaning of pros. I think Point A. in that paper sums it up pretty well. The basic meaning of Pros indicates "face to face." That seems to imply two different things, so that is probably where vp got the idea of "together with, yet distinctly independent of." There could be some validity in his definition.
  8. Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you [Adam & Eve] every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. Adam and Eve were fed from the fruit of the trees God gave them. They never had to go grocery shopping or plant their own garden. Gen 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. God did all the hard work of planting a garden. God then put Adam and Eve into a ready made garden. It was a garden unlike anything that exists today. That one garden had all they would ever need for an eternity of pleasure. The word “Eden” comes from the root of the Hebrew word for means “pleasure.” We can't begin to imagine the fullness of such a way of life. Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; God did all the heavy lifting to provide them with food. God made the trees to grow. Adam and Eve simply enjoyed the fruits of God’s labour. Gen 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. All in all, they had a pretty easy job. Remember, God made the food to grow. They never had to worry about “losing the crop.” They just kept things trimmed up a bit. Suddenly things took a turn for the worse. Adam and Eve disobeyed God. They did not believe him when he told them they would die if they ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. God not only told them they would die, but that they surely would die. But, instead of believing God they believed the lies of the serpent, the devil, who told Eve they would not die if they ate from that tree. In fact, he told them they would be just like God. Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. It’s the same today. People either believe God or the lies of the devil. The true greatness of any nation does not depend on politics, but whether or not the people of that nation know and believe the truth in God’s Word. Unfortunately, most look to a man, a Reagan, a Bush, A Clinton, an Obama, or a Trump. Few look to God. That explains the present sad state of America and every other nation in the world today. Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Gen 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; That’s just what the ground does. It’s not God’s fault. He never meant for man to live in such an environment. Remember, He had put them in a most decidedly different environment, namely the garden of Eden. God knew a lot more about things than Adam and Eve knew. He knew what would happen if they ate from the tree and he was nice enough to tell them all about it. After all, he was their father, so why wouldn’t he have warned them. By looking up every verse in the Bible where the word “curse” is used it becomes apparent that a curse was not some spell God cast on the ground out of spite or vengeance. Instead the word is used in a predictive sense. God was just telling them what would happen. Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. God certainly didn’t trick Adam and Eve. He was completely upfront with them. When they disobeyed God, they turned their backs on God, not the other way around. God has not punished them any more than you could be said to have punished your child because he or she didn’t believe you about the heat of fire and stuck his hand into it. Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. Now they had to work a lot harder. A whole lot harder. Sweat and all. Clearing, ploughing, planting, harvesting, processing, storing, etc. All backbreaking work. But that’s not all. No matter how hard they worked, there would never be a guaranteed harvest. Floods, droughts, insects, and more could destroy the entire crop at any time. The very fact that there are people starving in this world says it all. In the garden of Eden nobody would have starved. All thing considered, compared to what they had in Eden, I would say that “cursed” is a most appropriate adjective to describe the new ground in which they found themselves!
  9. Nope. No more instructions coming. If you don't get it, you just missed the boat. Sorry.
  10. Well then, make your best guess.
  11. Well, I made an analogy and it seemed to go over your head. Don't know what more I can do to help you.
  12. You've missed the whole point.
  13. This might help: Analogy
  14. Not talking about pushing or pulling people. The Bible has the doctrine. Chaos and order are physical phenomena. I learned the concept in Physics 101.