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Only if one wants to see it in the original... and who knows, maybe there's something there that's different...

Do you know who from and what book?

Yes. But don't remember when I first heard it. I remember a CFS camp on Shelter Island in July of 1973 that I was begging to go to after taking PFAL the prior week for the first time at the same location. 17 years old. THOSE were some of my very good memories. Here's a thread on the CFS camp. Gotta love DWBH posts... always entertaining...

Just be glad you didn't see it in the original.

Well, there you have it. One of the most private of private interpretations.

I have a first hand recollection of him teaching that masturbation was the original sin. That's not an event you casually forget.

Probably. I've heard that. You should know better than I. Wasn't sure if Darth Vader Craig invented that or the Emperor victor did. I turned it off after about 20 minutes when victor uttered such exegetical fallacious bulls hit. Abject stupidity. Plagiarized errors are bad enough, but victor's most egregious errors are in his original "work." I am in awe of those in awe of him.

I no longer have the books that demonstrate what concepts Wierwille lifted word for word. I would suspect Christians would care more about the content than the source when evaluating the doctrines, and that conversation, of course, belongs in Doctrinal (we have a new sub forum dedicated specifically to twi doctrine. Feel free). The question of whether he plagiarized or made it up stays here. I don't care much either way. Should we still?

Didn't he take it one metaphorical step further and claim that not only did the trees in Genesis represent people, but they represented their genitals, making the original sin masturbation?

Vroom Vroom!

Yes, he copied it.

This opens up a whole lot of other questions for me like, does God work with unbelievers as well. Maybe the whole rap of "the fruit of the spirit comes from the manifestations" is bogus. QUESTION for the group: did VPW make that up or did he copy it from elsewhere... Stiles, Leonard, or somebody else?

After watching many episodes of "The Practice" and enjoying it immensely, I have to admit, "It's Possible".

I can even hear the girlfriends say, "Yes, we get it." It's an oldie, but I'm not quite clicking on it. George

"Benny Hill"? George

This may be one of the most important topics of our time, i.e., What is Hell? I think Martin Luther struggled with it; certainly I do. Still haven't decided yet, still open to possibilities. Here's another book that I think we discussed at some point in the past: https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=32180704645&dest=usa&ref_=ps_ggl_17730880232&cm_mmc=ggl-_-US_Shopp_Trade_10to20-_-product_id=COM9780595143429USED-_-keyword=&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=17190383924&gbraid=0AAAAAD3Y6guhSTjDY6oAFsx9lSu4SnsCN&gclid=CjwKCAjwo4rCBhAbEiwAxhJlCSy6Q8uurSSH4soZ9p8JiiXjAh8S4jIwrnkXakdETCyLGnk95MVBbhoCj6kQAvD_BwE

Almost thou persuadest me to be an atheist

LMFAO!! I don’t think he ever said. He went to ROA ‘87-‘88, got blessed in spite of being high all the time, tried to go WOW, but the AC rejected his application, then he hopped from charlatan to charlatan and got kicked out of at least one other cult, IHOP. It’s hard to tell.

Yeah, I was kind of hoping for one straight answer as to exactly why you left twi or were you kicked out?

This is getting obnoxious

I met him at the candy store He turned around and smiled at me, you get the picture?

Sloop John B

There was already a whole thread about me. Without the hand of God on human history I'm just trying to give some atheists some happiness before the nuclear winter.