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Differences of opinion! Differences of opinion are allowed at the GSC! Politics are verboten. Anyone who takes a position that "vpw was the greatest man of God since the apostle Paul" will find they've taken a VERY unpopular stance and will be debated. But they will be allowed to post- as will everyone who disagrees with them. Differences of opinion, agreeing to disagree, and independent thought are not allowed at twi, and never were. So, people used to twi and ex-twi ONLY may find freedom to think unsettling. But it's an asset.

I will second the motion for Joseph Campbell. Well worth it.

Agree. I've read some definitions of it and appears quite "spiritual" in the sense of doing good for your friends and neighbors as a duty.

It's a bit lengthy but well worth the time spent.

I have started a thread called "A Complete atheist, anti-supernatural society" in the Atheism, nontheism, skepticism: Questioning Faith sub forum if anyone wants to discuss the above.

JoyfulSoul wrote the following in the "I had a very interesting stop at HQ" thread in the "About the Way" forum: "I began as a college atheist 45 years ago. I'm long gone. Over the edge gone. Unreachable. Forever lost. If we ever enforce a complete atheist, anti-supernatural society, take me first, drag me around back and shoot me." What would such a world be like without all the supernatural beliefs in a heaven and hell be like? Or without the concept of a chosen people and a promised land? Or with the concept of humanism being our motive to love and care for one another? There are many other "Or" examples that could be given from either side of a supernatural vs atheism POV. If ad hominem attacks can be avoided, this could be an interesting discussion.

Thomas was skeptical. Because Thomas was skeptical, he was given a spiritual awareness not given to the others. The others had to believe. Thomas found out.

Pardon me for including my atheistic comments on this thread in response to Joyful Soul's disconcerting post about dealing with a demonic transference between LCM and himself. If there is any interest in discussion this topic, I will start a thread in the Matters of Faith forum.

Just in case someone might read "Chasity" as a misspelling of Chastity and think such a person exists on GSC (like I did at first ), I now recognize you meant me. Also, Chastity would have been an unusual, though interesting, name to give oneself .

I wish you could see it in the aboriginal. It's a dandy!

I began as a college atheist 45 years ago. I'm long gone. Over the edge gone. Unreachable. Forever lost. If we ever enforce a complete atheist, anti-supernatural society, take me first, drag me around back and shoot me.

Check it again. Re-search the transcripts. It's there. If it's not in the '71 or '79 transcripts, it's in another one. It may be lost or hidden. But I believe one day it we'll find it, along with those ancient manuscripts needed to prove other asserted claims.

I don't know if twi was heavily into these incredible (as in impossible to believe) "personal" encounters with Jesus and angels, but I do know that many of the people and ministries you've mentioned before have claimed the most ridiculous of them. "Seek and you shall find" can also be known as bias confirmation. Would telling you to keep a skeptical approach when looking at these unprovable claims be of any use?

Haha! No, that's something Jr. High School girls used to do at pajama parties when I was a kid. The ghost of Mary Worth is supposed to appear before you in the mirror.

I don't know if I should laugh or cry, Charity? I appreciate your kind concern. So, when I wrote about those people talking about their out of body experiences, you don't think that's real either? When it comes to the supernatural realm, I'm long gone out there. I've experienced a lot, but I've heard a lot more and frankly, I'm jealous. Take Will, for instance, I believe every word:

Correct. George

The are NO SUCH THING as devil spirits. You learned about them while in twi and this explains why you thought of one when LCM looked at you with all the pride and evil that were behind those eyes of his. Being involved with the other ministries you've mentioned only cemented your belief in demons because they are steeped in teaching about them and falsely claiming to rebuke them. Christianity is a fear-based doctrine that ministries/religions feed off of and become rich from because of the hold this doctrine has on keeping people in line. If you want to be free of having to cope with such a mythical being as an evil spirit, start deconstructing from what the bible teaches about them. Begin with the whole concept of the fall of Lucifer and then go straight to the most inane story of the serpent with Adam and Eve in the garden whereby all mankind supposedly inherited an evil and sinful nature and Satan became the god of this world. I sincerely hope you do.

Written by Neil Diamond. The Monkees' recording was his biggest hit. George

Kinda, but not really. You can watch the whole thing at Internet Archive. Advanced Class transcripts can also be found there.

I thought that was a joke. As I said, I dropped out of the Intermediate Class. I just didn't feel comfortable saying whatever came to mind. Doubtless, demons started with me maybe in the womb, who knows? I'd hear a guy in twig proclaiming, once again, 'walk forth boldly on my word...'. You could predict it. I just wasn't settled with it. Wasn't even allowed to take CFS. Dale Sides was a Corp graduate, I believe. Deliverance, that was his thing (one of his things). Been prayed over by a lot of people. Unless someone truly has experience and insight, I don't take this matter to men anymore. For 30 years I've just been going and doing best I can. I spoke of a malaise, though. That was real. Seems everyone was affected by. Idk, I 'see' the Holy Spirit working right next to demons all the time. All over the place. Paul writes of the disarray in the assemblies sitting alone in prison in his latter years.

Have you taken the Advanced Class? It’s all about devils. I believe the counterclockwise method Waysider mentioned is explained in the AC.

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True story. And, I dropped out of the intermediate class. I dropped in for the weekend. What about all the people who took all the classes and lived there in training? Those demons had a lot more time to work.

Have you tried to turn counterclockwise, look in the mirror and say "Mary Worth" 3 times? Well, you just never know until you try.