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Uh, yeah. I'm trying to be hands off but ypu guys are making this difficult. Candace Owens? There is NO reason to discuss her outside politics. Zionism is a political discussion by definition. You're giving us very little wiggle room here. The topic of this thread is TWI, present tense. Keep it focused. Next political comment gets deleted without warning.

Just a reminder: There is no shortage of on-line venues for discussing politics.

That's true, I suppose, though as Human points out, it would be hard to find a telecast of bridge. Let's modify the clue: What do baseball, bridge, golf, Formula One racing, and tennis have in common? Football, soccer, and basketball do NOT have the same thing in common. Interestingly, curling and darts DO. George

Hogan's Heroes "Once upon a time, there were three little girls who went to the police academy; and they were each assigned very hazardous duties. But I took them away from all that and now they work for me." George

California Girls "I thought love was only true in fairy tales." George

Zionism is a passionate topic with me. It makes me angry we even have to discuss it. People can be so dense. 'Duh, the Jews, God's chosen people. Israel! That's in the Bible.' It just depends on who wants it. I don't personally need it. There are people more courageous than me on X.

I think we may be able to discuss him and his message if we keep it about biblical matters and not political. Biblical would be 'old covenant' vs. 'new covenant'. etc. etc. Admittedly, Baldwin does talk politics a lot during his sermons.. so it will have to be the moderator call to allow it or not. Whatever Raf decides is ok with me. Thx.

I do. And my rebound into Catholicism helps me to examine and critique my steps all the more.

Sorry to hear that... well, we know now there's abundant life outside of TWI. Thank you for posting and please continue!

Thank you. Thought maybe it was the guy who wanted me to know Chuck Baldwin is a verboten political figure. So, who here is Christian? Anyone wanna get saved?

"Like, who hosts this board? Should I send $20?" To answer your first question: Pawtucket hosts this board. As to your second question: You can send whatever you like or send nothing at all. There's a donate button at the top. It's a system that seems to have worked for the past 25 years.

No problem. No one else wants to do these jobs.

That's why they call you the Wordwolf. Interesting whatever you must share in a community that needs to differentiate agnosticism from satanism. They are different.. (so, what is it? Two or four?) Exegesis, am I using that right? Nice breakdown of the related verses in chapter six. Going back to this "church", have you noticed that churches largely try to expand our generosity by encouraging us to give right here into this offering plate? Right here. Make your checks payable to Crossville Church of His Holiness. Do it now. Yours is the first exegesis of Luke 6:30 I've heard. So, let's talk about the beggars on the street corner. Let's talk about all the merchants collecting money for charities. Let's talk about going deaf and tensing up. We could also talk about giving so as to not look stingy. Giving out of guilt. Giving for a show. In my experiences "churches" don't do all that. Put your tithes in the bucket and we'll sit around in the back room and divvy them up. Trust us. Sorry, been bludgeoned in offerings before. I've been in churches where if you did not harden your heart to the preacher you couldn't take it. Idk, idk, idk. I just know I've developed a method that has enabled me to navigate those waters. If somebody reads this and is truly living a financially abundant life and has real insight into my brokenness I'd like to hear it. The places where we assemble have light bills. The people who organize our meetings gotta feed their kids. It's right to be happy to chip in. Like, who hosts this board? Should I send $20?

I'll start with JCS. I can't touch that. I don't want to touch that. I don't know about all that. Somehow, I've got to try not to offend. I got exposed to all this "trauma informed" lingo in the IHOPKC fallout. I'm sorry, I learned enough not to trample on things I don't understand. I don't. OTOH, I would have hoped you have seen I've been around some. What's readily apparent to me is I haven't been beaten or imprisoned. I never made it out of the minor league and don't really want to. I will however bridge the chasm if I have the opportunity. I'll meet current Wayfers and befriend them. I don't have any other agenda than love for the brethren. Why do I suddenly feel like an astronaut on a launch pad not knowing what he's getting into? I don't know what I'm getting into...!? Maybe I'm a missionary to some African cannibals!? Regardless, I'm down. THIS, I believe is what Jesus would do.

I don't know if I've ever seen bridge on TV? Movies, yeah. But not TV.

"I see nothing!! I hear nothing!!! I see nothing"!!!

Long Tall Sally "Well, east coast girls are hip I really dig those styles they wear"

Perhaps you are unfamiliar with trauma, PTSD or the sting of being ripped off. I was about to agree with you until you leaned on the cult trope of "crying about decades old offenses". These offenses include rape, sir. They include taking my teenage friends for abortions financed by a handful of money dipped from a free bucket of cash called "tithes". Perhaps giving your entire childhood to a movement that turned out to be a fraud run by grifters and perverts, stings a little. "Crying" isn.t weakness. It is a basic human emotions. If you don't cry while you're recovering from a literal attack on everything you are and everything you have, then you're the one with the problem. And by the way, I don't see anyone "crying" in the replies to your post. I see people who learned the hard way and are trying to warn you that these offenses, not all of which are "decades" old, hurt people. People still haven't recovered. Some people died, MAN. Do you have any idea the number of people who have died as a direct result of trauma from this cult? I have friends who died in accidents and were blamed for not being holy enough. It's gross. There is also no rule that says if you're "crying" about the way's literal crimes, that means that we aren't walking with Jesus. That is a fallacy. Both things can be true. You can walk with Jesus and be wise to The Way's bullcrap. And when we meet a person who says they went to HQ and everyone was so nice, we want you to know that trusting in this group will deceive you and you might not even know it's happening. If you want to stick your hand on the burner to see if fire is really hot, go ahead. You've been warned. But don't pretend that we are all crying. We were trying to warn you.

They've all been televised.

I don't think that's going to fly with twi in any era, now any more than before. twi was always organized to make a profit, to say nothing of the investments made with the money they squirreled away when they were shaking us down long ago. But, you and them will have to sort that out, it certainly doesn't affect me. (I think it's a good idea, but I don't think they're going to agree, and you'll get an earful, sooner or later, probably with a nice, diplomatic phrasing nowadays.) As for Luke 6, I think Jesus was making a point by way of hyperbole. Luke 6:31 (NASB) "Treat people the same way you want them to treat you." I think that was the main thrust, and a challenge to aim higher. Luke 6:36 (NASB) "Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful." Of course, you're free to disagree. But I think that verse was making a point, just not a direct, literal one. I don't think Jesus was literally ordering us to be victims of every robber who comes along. (And if he was, I'll never be spiritual enough to do it, nor to teach my kid to do it.)

Gentlemen, I'm just going to write and you'll figure me out. Quoting at times can take up a lot of space and be cumbersome. FREEDOMMMM!!!! I'm not going to last in any assembly of saints that tries to take away my freedom (I've learned to hate the translation "church" with all It's ecclesiastical expectations). Maybe that's why we have different remembrances and attitudes. I was largely on the outskirts just as I was the IHOPKC. Lot's of really bitter people over there, too, but they kicked me out 17 years before the meltdown. I'm not submitting and getting trapped. Just try to dictate my walk with God. I don't think that highly of you. A lot will be revealed if I tell you how I approach financial giving. I get paid and move 10% of my after tax earnings (I'm just telling you what I'm doing. I do the same with my tax refund) into a savings account. Then, I give wherever I give and replenish my checking account with that 'tithe' account. I do this in part because I can be cheap and stingy. To me, it's my training wheels way of giving until such time as I can pass it out freely. I want to keep giving you some truth. I generally look away from the guys on the street corners. I tend to stiffen up or become deaf when I sense a beggar approaching. When they ask me at the store if I want to donate my change I say no. Give to everyone who asks of you. And from him who takes away your goods do not ask them back. Lk 6:30 I hate that verse. Burr in my saddle. I'm chastened by it. I don't live up to it. But, I'll let it bug me. I won't ignore it or pretend it doesn't exist. Idk if I'll ever live up to it. Thus, my method of tithing. Now, don't demand my tithe because this is where I'm getting fed. You don't know everywhere I'm getting fed and you don't know everywhere I'm fellowshipping. Digital age, baby. I've got better sermons than yours at my fingertips. So now, what does that leave? If I love you, and you love me, I'm going to peel off some of that tithe money and give you some. I'm passing it out anyway. I decided it wasn't mine when I moved it from my direct deposit to that savings account. I get "fed" lots of places. I also appreciate the charitable activities at various places. In this way I'm going to give a "tithe", but if any particular ministry is demanding all of it...guess what...not a place I want to be. So, now you know how messed up I am. And, if that don't fly with today's The Way International, no problem. I love you. We good. Just, no man is going to dictate my relationship with God. So, we'll see. That's all. Just kicking the tires. Pray that I stop being so stingy.

Thank you very much.

"If we're going to just disavow the word isn't there some nice satanist forum out there!?" I've encountered lots of groups over the years, and twi was only one of them that said "You can agree with us or you can disagree with GOD ALMIGHTY because we're 100% in accordance with him, and leaving us means leaving GOD ALMIGHTY." I wasn't sure if that's what you meant, but it certainly could be taken that way, and it sounded like that to me. Of course, you might have meant something completely completely different, in which case, a little clarification would be appreciated (by me if by no one else.)

II Corinthians 9:7 (KJV) "Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver." (NASB) "Each one must do just as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver." Ah, a REQUIRED 10% or required 15% is "of necessity", "under compulsion." In twi, it's required. I'm sure someone can engage in sophistry about the word "required," but the reality is that it is required. Try to be in twi without records showing that you give, and see how long that lasts. There will be "friendly discussions" about how you should be, and so on. You'll get leaned on. I'm not sure they'll kick you out like in the old days, but it's still required- the only difference would be in the sanctions should you try to disobey the requirement. There will be SOME sanctions either way.

Welcome. Lulu. You may find that there's different types of people here. Some are no longer Christian- partly because twi really made a bad case for Christianity. Some of us are still Christian, and even still believe the Bible's really important (Hi, that includes me!). Some people are Christians with varying beliefs- either far from what twi taught, or pretty close to what twi taught, all depending on our journeys. None of those positions is required to post here. You're welcome either way, and posting friendly is appreciated. Goodness, we've had so many discussions about how foolish, unbiblical and nonsensical the no-debt policy was. Even vpw's uncle Harry claimed you should never go into debt EXCEPT FOR A HOUSE OR A CAR.