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Questioning Way International Doctrines (William Barlow)
JoyfulSoul replied to Charity's topic in About The Way
As I tell my sister, I am my favorite subject. So OK, the Rock in 87 and 88. Highlights of my Christian experience. Went into the Army. Met up with a guy trying to establish The Way in Germany but nothing came of it. Got out in 93 and joined a twig. Went to the Rock and this time it was awful. Grounds weren't immaculate as they used to be. The love, joy and family were gone. I found LCMs preaching to be caustic and controlling. It was later that fall I had that demonic episode I wrote about. Eventually I split with my twig leader and The Way. In my experience, The Way changed between '88 and '93. I know it is different for everybody, many thought it was over before I took PFAL. A little extra, would Christianity ever be the same again? The Way was gone, was that glorious experience of Christianity gone, too? Sometime around 96 or 97 the providential hand of God (just humor me, OK?) brought me to Morningstar Fellowship in Charlotte, NC. Truly, it was a 'God thing' (read: psychotic event). My walk with Christ (in my imagination) opened up new chapters and new vistas and even though the experience of love in Christian family (no thanks to VP, I'm sure) was never the same, interaction with other worlds became even better- like...way better (don't bogart that bong) ... Hard getting away from my favorite subject but you did ask. - Yesterday
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Questioning Way International Doctrines (William Barlow)
oldiesman replied to Charity's topic in About The Way
Only if one wants to see it in the original... and who knows, maybe there's something there that's different... -
Questioning Way International Doctrines (William Barlow)
oldiesman replied to Charity's topic in About The Way
Do you know who from and what book? -
Yes. But don't remember when I first heard it. I remember a CFS camp on Shelter Island in July of 1973 that I was begging to go to after taking PFAL the prior week for the first time at the same location. 17 years old. THOSE were some of my very good memories. Here's a thread on the CFS camp. Gotta love DWBH posts... always entertaining...
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Just be glad you didn't see it in the original.
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Well, there you have it. One of the most private of private interpretations.
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I have a first hand recollection of him teaching that masturbation was the original sin. That's not an event you casually forget.
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Probably. I've heard that. You should know better than I. Wasn't sure if Darth Vader Craig invented that or the Emperor victor did. I turned it off after about 20 minutes when victor uttered such exegetical fallacious bulls hit. Abject stupidity. Plagiarized errors are bad enough, but victor's most egregious errors are in his original "work." I am in awe of those in awe of him.
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Questioning Way International Doctrines (William Barlow)
Raf replied to Charity's topic in About The Way
I no longer have the books that demonstrate what concepts Wierwille lifted word for word. I would suspect Christians would care more about the content than the source when evaluating the doctrines, and that conversation, of course, belongs in Doctrinal (we have a new sub forum dedicated specifically to twi doctrine. Feel free). The question of whether he plagiarized or made it up stays here. I don't care much either way. Should we still? -
Didn't he take it one metaphorical step further and claim that not only did the trees in Genesis represent people, but they represented their genitals, making the original sin masturbation?
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waysider replied to bulwinkl's topic in Movies, Music, Books, Art
Vroom Vroom! -
Questioning Way International Doctrines (William Barlow)
waysider replied to Charity's topic in About The Way
Yes, he copied it. -
Questioning Way International Doctrines (William Barlow)
oldiesman replied to Charity's topic in About The Way
This opens up a whole lot of other questions for me like, does God work with unbelievers as well. Maybe the whole rap of "the fruit of the spirit comes from the manifestations" is bogus. QUESTION for the group: did VPW make that up or did he copy it from elsewhere... Stiles, Leonard, or somebody else? -
Questioning Way International Doctrines (William Barlow)
oldiesman replied to Charity's topic in About The Way
After watching many episodes of "The Practice" and enjoying it immensely, I have to admit, "It's Possible". -
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GeorgeStGeorge replied to bulwinkl's topic in Movies, Music, Books, Art
I can even hear the girlfriends say, "Yes, we get it." It's an oldie, but I'm not quite clicking on it. George -
"Benny Hill"? George
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Questioning Way International Doctrines (William Barlow)
oldiesman replied to Charity's topic in About The Way
This may be one of the most important topics of our time, i.e., What is Hell? I think Martin Luther struggled with it; certainly I do. Still haven't decided yet, still open to possibilities. Here's another book that I think we discussed at some point in the past: https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=32180704645&dest=usa&ref_=ps_ggl_17730880232&cm_mmc=ggl-_-US_Shopp_Trade_10to20-_-product_id=COM9780595143429USED-_-keyword=&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=17190383924&gbraid=0AAAAAD3Y6guhSTjDY6oAFsx9lSu4SnsCN&gclid=CjwKCAjwo4rCBhAbEiwAxhJlCSy6Q8uurSSH4soZ9p8JiiXjAh8S4jIwrnkXakdETCyLGnk95MVBbhoCj6kQAvD_BwE -
Questioning Way International Doctrines (William Barlow)
Oakspear replied to Charity's topic in About The Way
Almost thou persuadest me to be an atheist -
Questioning Way International Doctrines (William Barlow)
Nathan_Jr replied to Charity's topic in About The Way
LMFAO!! I don’t think he ever said. He went to ROA ‘87-‘88, got blessed in spite of being high all the time, tried to go WOW, but the AC rejected his application, then he hopped from charlatan to charlatan and got kicked out of at least one other cult, IHOP. It’s hard to tell. -
Questioning Way International Doctrines (William Barlow)
Charity replied to Charity's topic in About The Way
Yeah, I was kind of hoping for one straight answer as to exactly why you left twi or were you kicked out? -
Questioning Way International Doctrines (William Barlow)
Raf replied to Charity's topic in About The Way
This is getting obnoxious -
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waysider replied to bulwinkl's topic in Movies, Music, Books, Art
I met him at the candy store He turned around and smiled at me, you get the picture? -
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waysider replied to bulwinkl's topic in Movies, Music, Books, Art
Sloop John B -
Questioning Way International Doctrines (William Barlow)
waysider replied to Charity's topic in About The Way