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Thanks Rocky. I'm giving it all a rest. I'll check in for topics of interest though and perhaps post about those.

Here’s what I know. My life is healthier since walking away from Christianity. It's healthier mentally and emotionally which is inspiring me to work on being healthier physically. It has freed up my time since there is no longer a need/desire to work on a 24/7 relationship with a god that supposedly wanted one with me. I’m now going to let go of the need/desire to learn more about why the bible was not inspired by any kind of God. Simply put, I want to be able to stop thinking about god to the extent that only the rare thought will pop into my head and then quickly dissipate. Thanks everyone for your input – it was much appreciated!

My admonition: stay curious. I just ran across this reference to a new book dealing with an aspect of deconverting: (From the Amazon blurb) A gripping memoir about coming of age in the stay-at-home daughter movement and the quest to piece together a future on your own terms. Raised in the Christian patriarchy movement, Cait West was homeschooled and could only wear clothes her father deemed modest. She was five years old the first time she was told her swimsuit was too revealing, to go change. There would be no college in her future, no career. She was a stay-at-home daughter and would move out only when her father allowed her to become a wife. She was trained to serve men, and her life would never be her own. Until she escaped. In Rift, Cait West tells a harrowing story of chaos and control hidden beneath the facade of a happy family. Weaving together lyrical meditations on the geology of the places her family lived with her story of spiritual and emotional manipulation as a stay-at-home daughter, Cait creates a stirring portrait of one young woman’s growing awareness that she is experiencing abuse. With the ground shifting beneath her feet, Cait mustered the courage to break free from all she’d ever known and choose a future of her own making. Rift is a story of survival. It’s also a story about what happens after you survive. With compassion and clarity, Cait explores the complex legacy of patriarchal religious trauma in her life, including the ways she has also been complicit in systems of oppression. A remarkable literary debut, Rift offers an essential personal perspective on the fraught legacy of purity culture and recent reckonings with abuse in Christian communities.

You got it George. I had no idea he passed away in 2023.

According to IMDB site, there have been 8 Moby Dick feature films made. Hollywood is fond of Moby Dick apparently. "A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti."

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Some of those characters sound vaguely familiar. I hope you haven' thit the "giveaways" yet. George

Tom Sizemore? George

Moby Dick is correct. George

I’m watching a video called “Seeing Through Christianity - A Critique of Beliefs and Evidence” by Bill Zuersher. With the concept of God being human made, he’s covered so far the evolutionary stage of the OT from Canaanite polytheism to Jewish monotheism due to the history of the Babylonian conquest. He’s about to get into the transition of Jewish monotheism to Apocalyptic Judaism due to the Persian Zoroastrian influence. I’m beginning to better understand why some Christians who believe in God but agree with the fictional storytelling of the OT will balance or cancel out the negative character of the OT God leaving God with the more positive image shown in the NT. Is this why someone (like myself for instance) who refers to the scriptures in the OT that show God committing atrocities may be pointed out as having a fundamentalist point of view? In this way, fundamentalism can be taken as being subjective at times in contrast to the objective definition which refers to it as taking the whole bible literally and as being inherently accurate. Am I understanding this correctly?

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Only tangentially related to this thread, We are Made of Stories by Leslie Umberger Recasting American art history to embrace artists who have been excluded for too long, We Are Made of Stories vividly captures the power of art to show us the world through the eyes of another.

I first heard OF that song around 1989-1990. I first heard that song around the end of last year. I don't think Billy Joel was inspired by it when he wrote this song. He actually started with an attempt to write a rap song, then discovered he couldn't write rap songs, so he started over.

It is.

I would expect so. It was also in "The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen", but I'm confident he wasn't quoting that movie at this time.

Splitting threads is easier said than done. Enjoy.

Yep. I think that was the point Waysider was making earlier. A good point.

https://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/infancythomas-hock.html With a wave of his hand Jesus strikes down that tattletale kid, everyone freaks, but he ultimately straightens that kid out and everything is cool in the end. I love this story!

Moby Dick....at least the line was in the novel, which I suspect was used in the movie.

This is Billy Joel's "We Didn't Start the Fire".

Good question!

By definition, if one believed the account was fictional, then they should not refer to it as a record. The noun "account" by definition does not include the words "facts" or "proven to be true." This could be an alternative to using the word "record."

Hi Nathan, I'm curious where you read the first "record?"