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I'm going out on a limb here and assume that, by a *higher level of reasoning*, you're referring to revelation.This is a contradiction of terms.Revelation, according to the definitions we were supplied, does not rely on reasoning. By its very nature, it defies reasoning.

We did WOW training today at my place of work. Very strange to hear people saying "I'm just going down for WOW training". A bit too freaky for me, to tell the truth. In this case, WOW stands for "Ways of Working". I'm going to check out if they plan to introduce an Advanced Class or Corps training. I graduated from my first PFAL class on March 15th 1978, "The Ides of March". I hear that's a good film, but haven't seen it myself. Anyone like it?

Keep Walkin' Son is a Joe Fair composition performed by Pressed Down, Shaken Together and Running Over in the latter half of the 1970s. Not enough info on the 2nd one you asked about.

WG, is that where FC was??

IMO, that's too pat an answer. I think it's all of the above possible reasons you gave, Patriot. Different people have different reasons. A few of them might have even bought into the "we're the faithful remnant" crap that RFR has peddled. Since you referred to the low pay a couple times, I assume you're talking about people at HQ. (As for the person sitting in someone's living room studying the Bible and singing songs, I still run into people who are "out" but in a splinter group who don't [or won't] believe bad things about twi or VPW because they don't want to "think evil.") I left HQ staff in early spring of 1986. I resigned, and I was never so happy to leave a place in my life. I hated the mandatory meetings, Rosalie's micromanaging, the rampant hypocrisy, etc. I never regretted getting out of there. In contrast, a couple years later, when I had severed my ties with twi completely, I had a long talk with someone who was still "in," a friend who was a member of the president's cabinet and had held very high positions. He was fully aware at how flocked up things were and what Rosalie was like. But he, who was younger than I was and better educated and better equipped to change careers, said, "If I left, how would I support my wife and child?" I was astounded. It was the fear in the heart of that man! Re: the low pay: If you're debt-free and living in that neck of the woods, you don't need much money to live comfortably. My rent in NK was very reasonable for a nice apartment, and my utilities were next to nothing. Lunch in the OSC was mandatory (gag, gag), so I only had to buy food for 2 meals a day. For people approaching retirement age, as the older staffers must be, if they've stuck it out this long they probably think it's an okay gig. But they'd better not get sick, or they'll become someone else's "burden," and off they'll be sent with no retirement fund, no social security check, nada. For those who have the type of personality that allows them to tolerate mandatory meetings and syrupy-sweet smiles from a "president" whose grins hide daggers, and all the other BS, twi is just the place. God bless 'em. All those things gave me a headache and a heartache.

For the other people who may not know, twi's undereducated staff made up the redundant term "international countries." Any time you're talking 2 or more countries (nations), you're talking "internationally." It's sometimes amazing what impact twi's poor practices have had on all of us. It can take decades to catch it all.

I taught a service - once. Thank God it was only once. The teachings are beyond scripted. You are assigned a topic, you work the topic using ONLY approved ministry "research", you turn in an outline for approval, once approved the outline is crafted into word for word notes that are resubmitted for approval --- oh, you also have to record yourself (on cassette) presenting the teaching and turn that in as well. The entire process is used to control every word spoken. By the time you get around to actually presenting you teaching all of "you" has been carefully removed from the teaching and presentation. All that is left is an individual with a creepy smile, scared to death of misspeaking, reading word for word from their notes. The content is purposefully dumbed down. Why? Because all of the teaching should be fully understood by a 12 year old all the way to an untaught (by TWI) senior citizen. It was one of the most unnatural, uncomfortable experiences in relation to public speaking I was ever involved in.

They oughta load those 'dozers up, haul them east on Interstate 70 and flatten a few buildings in rural Ohio while they're at it.

As I remember it..... The 1978 Advanced Class was the LAST advanced class wherein twi utilized tapes, articles and incidents of OTHERS WHO WALKED WITH THE POWER OF GOD. We listened to an account of a woman who cast out some 17 evil spirits out of someone in India (?? or someplace). This 1978 ac credited many experiences of those who walked in the revelation/power manifestations of holy spirit. The 1979 Advanced Class was an "in-house operation" with much more pro-twi insertions. This class was in Athens, Ohio and had more of the flavor of a production or an event......rather than the usual adv class. IMO, the advanced classes never were the same after 1978. Churches were evil......all ministries, other than twi, were suspect to devil infiltration. Only twi was true-and-blue......all others had sold-out their ministries to the devil and his kingdom. As twi became an all-in-house organization.......the tower of Babel comes to mind. The twi leadership became blinded by their own pride and ego as early as 1978........and was spiraling downward. Wierwille couldn't see it happening......he facilitated it. Oh, how misguided men can be......when forsaking the Lord. Oh well........it's a good lesson to have learned.

Rascal, I remember the story that the guy told as well from the stage of ROA. It was horrifying and scary, but then we were being made to fear deprogrammers like they were out to get each and everyone of us. One year prior to Monty telling his story on stage in 1979, our branch coordinator (non corps) had a weekly meeting with us twig coordinators (all non corps) and read a publication he claimed he got from the Way Tree that was published, supposedly by some civil rights group about what happens during a deprogramming and how the person is systematically broken down. Lack of sleep, food, privacy, even escorted to the bathroom, dropping them on the floor should they fall asleep, stripping the subject to lower their defenses cause most people are defenseless while naked. Oh and dont' forget, the word was that Ted Patrick, like the deprogrammer of deprogrammers (that is they way he was presented to us) was supposedly an ex- pimp (according to TWI leadership) and was therefore, an expert in breaking women down. I remember Monty telling how he was tied down in bed and when he had to urinate, they brought him a cup and held his penis so he could urinate in to the cup. One day untied, he and his brother (I think) were allowed outside (seemed like he was kept in a remote area or a campsite of some sort) and Monty broke into a run and his brother chased him then his brother fell and claimed he was bitten by a snake and Monty had to make a decision, the word or his brother so Monty kept running and then his brother continued to chase him. That is when, at that ROA of 1979 that VP announced from the stage that there were a lot of FBI people there and he knew that they were there because he had a connection with a man upstairs and everyone cheered like loons at that statment. VP also said that had they asked, he would have granted them access to the grounds cause they had nothing to hide and they wouldn't find what they were looking fun, ie guns. That was a weird Rock. There were several problems. One, when we left the main grounds of the ROA and crossed the road (Wierwille Road?), we had to walk straight across, if we walked diagonally, the local sheriff blasted his siren. No lollygagging on that road that year. Also, one morning, all the head cheeses called a meeting in the Main Top to explain a situation between a car of Wayfers and a car of locals that occured during the night. As they explained the altercation, I got more and more confused as none of it make sense. It seems that some local got hurt or their car got damaged, something of the sort. Everyone cheered and I said, "huh?" But then I have always been the odd ball. Through the early time I was involved (I stayed in till 1989) from 1975-1979ish, all the twig coordinators and branch leaders were regular people from the area/community where I lived. The only corps were possibly the area leaders or the limb leaders. Things were more laid back, and the music and style of twig was kinda hippish, sort of a left over from those days. Lots of folk type music made by the locals. People hung together. We went out after twig, we went dancing or to eating establishments, we got together on our own to study the word, play games, you name it. And we thrived. Nothing was mandatory, and being young, when I got in, I was surrounded by many older people in their thirties, divorced mostly and had already seen a big chunk of the world and life. I was an 18 year old. Only ONE time did I see a twig coordinator try to confront these people into doing something mandatory like go to a college WOW program since several of them were attending night classes at the local community college in addition to holding down a job and these more seasoned people told the twig leader in no uncertain terms where he could shove his college wow meeting. That was great! :) After the ROA 1980, my homecoming, I went back to my home area and found out that all the branch leaders had been replaced with corps. Things were never the same after that. If that offends, sorry but it is the truth because things became more legalistic and mandatory.