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I think this thread is also another reminder to those who have already been seduced by TWI and may feel they have some vague inkling they have been duped. I left in 86’ and looking back on my somewhat lengthy exit experience – I’ve come to the conclusion my decision to leave was ultimately more about the methods of TWI to shore up their doctrine and practices rather than about any particular doctrine itself. Rocky and Word Wolf have made excellent points about regret; we are only human – imperfect and unfortunately without a time machine – so we can’t go back and re-do situations where we screwed up, failed or were taken advantage of by others. Rather, I believe being human and imperfect we are nonetheless endowed by our Creator with some kind of “indomitable machine” that enables us to bounce back from failures and overcome obstacles. Regret is to feel sad, repentant, or disappointed over something that has happened or been done, especially a loss or missed opportunity; to feel sorry or unhappy about something you did or were unable to do…There will always be regrets - - but if we never felt sad, repentant or disappointed over something that happened where would the impetus come from to decide to change our course of action? I also tend to think the stronger the regret, the stronger is the stimulus that drives us to change something. We may not yet know what that something is – but we still may find that the gears are already in motion in our head – to question, to challenge, to modify how we look at something. After a while – I think you may find the baby steps you’ve taken and what you’ve achieved and have to be thankful for will by far outweigh the regrets. I said leaving TWI was a long and slow process for me. It was a series of baby steps. Doing something – even something small - is better than doing nothing. Back then there was no Grease Spot …Penworks had not yet written “Undertow”. I did my own research on doctrine and practice – even looked at books outside of those promoted by TWI, did a lot of thinking…questioning…challenging… talking to others who had left TWI or were thinking about leaving. I Thessalonians 5:21 was my motto during these baby steps times “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good”. You may want to spend more effort in scrutinizing the methods and practices of TWI rather than fretting over a particular doctrine. In other words, look at how they reinforced their teachings and way of doing things. Perhaps you'll notice some of the hindrances they've put in place to frustrate clear or critical thinking. "Prove all things" applies to methods and practices too. In the end, maybe regrets can be just one chapter in the book of your life – a chapter that is a lot shorter than the chapters on baby steps and the chapter on what you’re grateful for. So dear TWI follower, what is stopping you from considering the ideas on this thread? here's Penworks' book "Undertow"

And further..... As a charlatan and sexual predator, wierwille preemptively set "scriptural ground rules" by moving boundary lines. In teaching his "Christian Family and Sex" class (1975)..... wierwille instructed this class as if he had professional expertise in this area. Yet, in effect..... wierwille was setting the foundation for future, sexual predation as many of these women would go on staff or corps. In teaching the "casual nature of sex," vpw was minimizing/eliminating precious boundaries and protocols found in scripture. By illustrating and describing genitalia in this context and class, wierwille was advocating pre-marital sex. At no time in this class, or throughout wierwille's teachings.....does wierwille EVER teach on the sin of adultery! ~~~~~~~~~ Therefore....... Anyone who was involved in wierwille's advanced teaching series (or corps training)........ were vulnerable and susceptible to sexual targeting. It has been well-documented that some of wierwille's victims *groomed* other women to his lair, the motor coach. Still others...... were blindsided when they entered his motor coach and saw the implications of this "invite" to be with him. And others...... were given alcohol or drugged so that wierwille could have his way with them. The trustees and emeritus knew the dark secrets and crimes!! that were perpetrated in the servitude of "the man of God." Don, Howard, Craig, Donna, Rosalie and wierwille's valets, bodyguards, bus drivers, pimps, etc...... were all enablers in this seduction. An inner circle of zealots and opportunists were **in on the game that was being played**......and then, poof........they, too, disappeared. Hiding in Plain Sight........it is ALL so obvious now. Yet, many of us were so busy jumping thru hoops..... we were not privy to it. Plus....... we were indoctrinated to NOT even consider (Eve's downfall was that she considered) that *The Teacher* was a sex pervert [pfal]. ~~~~~~~~~ Concluding.... Greasespot Café has been shouting from the rooftops for nearly 20 years to expose twi's manipulation and exploitation. When Wierwille died......Chris Geer stepped forward to protect and RESTORE the "legacy of victor paul wierwille." When Craig Martindale was ousted for "extra marital affairs"......that should have been THE END of twi. Yet........Rosalie rallied the corps to stand with her and RESTORE the ministry. Another 16 years of "rebuilding"....??? Today....more splinter groups have risen from the ashes to claim the mantle of "Revival and Restoration." Huh? Why is it?........these newly-exited clergy and corps censor anyone who declares or asks the hard questions of the past? Why is it?........none of these splinter cult leaders have addressed the moral depravity and criminal nature in vpw/twi? Why is it?........that, even to this day, there are those who claim to have been a part of something that was great? Great????........when EVERTHING in wierwille's cult.....classes, programs, campuses, legacy......has burned to the ground.