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For the benefit of newcomers to Grease Spot Café – and to the dismay of old timers – lest you forget ( you've got to suffer if you want to sing the Grease Spotter's Blues ) I’m recycling some bull-$hit analytics from a couple of threads ( here ) and ( here ) where Mike used his own standards for re-defining anything – known as the great Mike principle and it goes something like this: wierwille can only communicate what he is, which is bull-$hit. PFAL puts wierwille’s ‘creation’ in you, which is now your bull-$hit. That bull-$hit fvcks up your cognitive skills and becomes manifested in cyberspace as you post. Our art department has the following diagram to illustrate the great Mike principle: not sure how to interpret this – maybe expert trollers have more ballz to string along more fish? ~ ~ ~ ~ Anyway, as promised here be dah select items from 2 other threads… basically re-threads Hey Mike, the English language is calling…wants its words back You’re like a bull-Shonta in a glass dictionary FYI - don't take it personally Mike - I've got nothing against you - it's that damn idol you're protecting. ~ ~ ~ ~ Let’s decode Mike’s mishmash dictionary: Anti = a PREPOSITION - opposed to; against. Idol = a person or thing that is greatly admired, loved, or revered what a goofball! again with the redefinitions! oy vey! ~ ~ ~ ~ Consider me being in the anti-idol group please Jonah 2:8 Those who cling to worthless idols turn away from God’s love for them. Galatians 5:19-21 19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. Colossians 3:5 Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. I John 5:21 Dear children, keep yourselves from idols. ~ ~ ~ ~ Psalm 97:10 Hate evil, you who love the Lord, Psalm 119:104 From Your precepts I get understanding; Therefore, I hate every false way. Proverbs 13:5 A righteous man hates falsehood, But a wicked man acts disgustingly and shamefully Romans 12:9 Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil; cling to what is good. I'm proud to be in the idol-haters group well... if you're promoting wierwille / PFAL as someone / something to be greatly admired, loved, or revered - you're asking for trouble anyway. you're an idol-representative...an idol-salesman You’re so funny Mike - you make no sense whether you're promoting a nonsensical "thesis" or trying to sell folks on your favorite idols - wierwille and PFAL You’re so funny...and unconvincing but your persistence is something else I'm sure your posts will get tens of views ~ ~ ~ ~ title for the collateral that comes with Mike's class The Absence of Good Sense. Once you’re a seasoned grad you can take the standalone session The Abscess of Nonsense

That's a lot of words to say it's some senseless bull$#!+ You made up.

Well old chum, it looks like there’s at least one Grease Spotter who takes the place of the absent wierwille.

That's a wierd way to describe the truth. VPW was a fake.

Love it Bolshevik! That's what this thread needed - some fresh eyes on it

You off your meds or something? For those reading this is classic TWI bullying tactics in action. Try and stifle the truth by saying it isn't on Godly to point out negatives in others lives. Strange that only applies to wierwille, mikes idol. Because they never apply that logic to people that don't tow the line. Those types are marked and avoided and labelled posessed.

unholy bull-$hit, Batman ! That truly unbelievable snake up wierwille’s a$$ just switched things up again "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" (Isa. 5:20.)

Sometimes it's good to look at matters from another person's perspective. Sometimes.

OldSkool, here’s some more options – you can make a list of hyperlinks of Grease Spot Café threads and other helpful websites / books / resources in your profile page…I wish WordWolf would do the same – in my book he’s like the ultimate chronicler and doctrinal consultant for all things TWI ! Doesn’t have to be a huge undertaking – Skyrider’s is concise and to the point - see Skyrider's about me Or you can channel the spirit of verbosity like I do bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha occasionally adding hyperlinks to the multi-volume Thelonious Hyphen Bone’s Guide for Those Disappointed with The Way International - I just added this thread to volume 5 Sidestepping Reality (see the following excerpt I just revised) 5. Sidestepping reality One of victor paul wierwille’s methods of sidestepping any real issues folks had with the ministry’s extraordinary claims was to teach that we should not go by our five senses or worldly logic – that it was part of the spiritual battle... When I first got involved with TWI, being young and naïve I bought into all that – TWI’s ideas provided a means to rationalize away logic or reality…I think “successful” con artists have a real knack for embedding the process of self-deception into devoted followers. There seemed to be an endless number of pat answers for why you were not "manifesting the more than abundant life" – the ideal lifestyle of a Way-believer. Many TWI-leaders would often say things to build hype for some program or class or simply to encourage behavior and attitudes that were acceptable to the group. It all depended on how imaginative TWI-leadership could be and how proficient they are at “diagnosing” the cause of your "dilemma", using ministry jargon - buzzwords and spiritual or biblical sounding terms. Sadly, it seems the goal of counseling someone having a hard time with the law of believing is to encourage them to continue to chase their own tail – to spend a whole lot of time and energy doing something but achieving nothing. Albert Einstein is credited with saying “the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results.” … …Here's a relevant thread: The Dangerous Word of Faith movement and how it harmed Christians in TWI And here's some interesting reading on the relationship of faith and reason...and about dealing with regret: Beyond Seduction: A Return to Biblical Christianity by Dave Hunt The Reason for God: Belief in an Age of Skepticism by Timothy Keller Excerpt from About yours truly

Yes - and in general I think relationships are a big priority with God / Jesus Christ; In Matthew 5 Jesus recommended active reconciliation over any “religious “ obligations: 23 “Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother or sister has something against you, 24 leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to them; then come and offer your gift.

*burns drapes* VPW needed to make behaviors equivalent. Point to imperfections, invert the scenario, then exalt himself. Boom. New reality.

Now that would be a literal according to usage....

Okay – I see your point – and I have no definitive answers to your questions…though I will say from what I gather mentioned in the New Testament docs, it seems to me that the ‘governing system’ of the church has overseers - managers…those who shepherd God’s flock, who are expected to work under the Chief Shepherd – holding to the message of Jesus Christ. Yeah, it’s far from perfect – but that’s the arrangement we have for now...I assume that's the idea behind seminaries. 5 The reason I left you in Crete was that you might put in order what was left unfinished and appoint elders in every town, as I directed you. 6 An elder must be blameless, faithful to his wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient. 7 Since an overseer manages God’s household, he must be blameless—not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain. 8 Rather, he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy and disciplined. 9 He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it. 10 For there are many rebellious people, full of meaningless talk and deception, especially those of the circumcision group. 11 They must be silenced, because they are disrupting whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach—and that for the sake of dishonest gain. 12 One of Crete’s own prophets has said it: “Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons.”13 This saying is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith 14 and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the merely human commands of those who reject the truth. 15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted. 16 They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good. Titus 1 5 To the elders among you, I appeal as a fellow elder and a witness of Christ’s sufferings who also will share in the glory to be revealed: 2 Be shepherds of God’s flock that is under your care, watching over them—not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be; not pursuing dishonest gain, but eager to serve; 3 not lording it over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock. 4 And when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that will never fade away. 5 In the same way, you who are younger, submit yourselves to your elders. All of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward one another, because, “God opposes the proud but shows favor to the humble.” 6 Humble yourselves, therefore, under God’s mighty hand, that he may lift you up in due time. 7 Cast all your anxiety on him because he cares for you. I Peter 5

OldSKool: "When I got answers to prayers in TWI it simply meant that God answered my prayers. Now, I used to think it was reflective of the doctrines that TWI taught....now I just understand that God loves us no matter what and he will bless his people in spite of doctrinal issues. Christianity isnt an intellectual pursuit, though wierwille tried to make it that way. God looks on the heart and scripture is filled with people who loved God, had faith, and lots of error in their minds. Moses was a pagan at the time he turned aside to see the burning bush, yet God lit the bush anyway. None of us have the full picture at this time. " This isn't difficult to understand. It might be difficult to ACCEPT if one clinging to error and encounters the truth. I am thankful that few people here actually have that problem.

Mt 5: 43You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor’ and ‘Hate your enemy.’ 44But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,s 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Do not even tax collectors do the same? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even Gentiles do the same? See, you can get blessings whether you are righteous or unrighteous - whether you do what TWI says, or whether you are a grease spot by midnight. You get sun and rain just the same. God's blessings don't depend on us being part of some organisation, or indeed on anything at all apart from God's goodness. However: Php4:Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me—put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you. If you want God's peace as well as his general blessings, there are things that you need to do. And: John 16:23In that day you will no longer ask Me anything. Truly, truly, I tell you, whatever you ask the Father in My name, He will give you. 24Until now you have not asked for anything in My name. Ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be complete. You get blessings because of your confidence and trust in God. Not because of your confidence and trust in some orgnisation. Especially a corrupt one.

That's what's commonly referred to as "The Great Principle"