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The true colors of twi have been exposed in the last 20+ years for all to see.... twi is not a Christian-based organization, but a Pharisaic one. Wierwille did his best in sleight-of-hand tactics to cover this fact, but the truth is undeniable. In the book of Matthew chapter 15, scribes and Pharisees came to Jesus with questions to belie their true intentions. This exchange of questions and answers show the Pharisee's hypocrisy. The first question is directed towards Jesus that he is transgressing the tradition of the elders by their actions.... in which, Jesus turned the question back on them by answering, "Why do you also transgress the commandments of God by your tradition?" Further, he went on to say, ".....Thus have you made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. Ye hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." BOOM. With this retort, Jesus set the record start. Pharisee doctrine has no place in true worship for its subtly and simply the commandments of men. How often did wierwille side-step the teaching of true worship? How often were we simply following wierwille's doctrine of amplifying the religious pious of an hypocritical man? Yes, wierwille used the name of Jesus and sang of his "wonderful grace".... but that grace, in wierwille's words, included *doing as you fool-please.* When you are doing as YOU fool-please, you are not Christian.... you are not following in his wonderful grace. You are following the sin-nature of man. Further, in Matthew 15.... Jesus expounds that our lives are not judged by eat and drink, "Not that which goes into the mouth defiles a man; but that which comes out of the mouth, that defiles a man." We are not confined by petty rules and regulations surrounding "holy days," but are commanded to guard our hearts with all diligence. We are to keep our heart from evil. How often in our corps training were we "regulated" to 1) set the podium right, 2) break the mints in three pieces, 3) string the chairs properly, 4) stage ushers at certain doorways, 5) be ready 30 minutes before meetings, 6) have people in their seats 10 minutes before teaching, 7) etc.?? These were the meatier things taught in corps training..... rather than true worship or deliverance. In vain, we followed the Pharisaic way. Yes, I would say that wierwille was a Pharisee. He taught AROUND THE EDGES.... just close enough to hide his hypocrisy. When did we ever see wierwille, in a public setting, heal someone? Or, cast out a devil spirit? I have documented several instances where wierwille went on tirades and claimed that someone WAS possessed (in the BRC or campfire area of the way woods)...... yet, no devil spirit was cast out!! Since wierwille publically claimed this person to be possessed.... he, now, allows a possessed person to stay in the way corps and go back to their unit. Huh? What a bunch of malarkey. In these three different episodes of confrontation that I witnessed.... it told me everything I needed to know about wierwille. Matthew 23 is Pharisee-confrontation extraordinaire. Woe to you, scribes, Pharisees, hypocrites. Jesus takes this confrontation to a higher level.... you Pharisees are seeking to make one proselyte, and when he is made, you make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. You are fools and blind. Seven times Jesus calls them hypocrites. These men and their Pharisaic order is anti-Christ. They are the enemies of the Lord, yet cloaking themselves as servants of light. This confrontation strips bare the essence of their evil..... yet, they want disciples to follow their orders. Twi has journeyed for over 60+ years to where it is today. No successor president (??), pastor or preacher, has been able to stop or slow the descent into a religious order or Pharisaic hypocrisy. They make pretense of long prayer and supplications in His name, but their hearts are consumed in power and control over others. They demand the tithe (and abs) be observed in the most strictest fashion, yet they don't honor the Lord with these tithes. They hide them away for investments and self-gain.... while heaping more burdens upon the people in their "care." By withholding from the Lord, twi is in grave error before His grace and mercy. Woe unto them. Thus, after all these years, it is not surprising that twi has succumbed to this death spiral. Wierwille was a Pharisee.

I agree TWI was (is, I suppose still) a Pharisee-LIKE organization. To me, this topic is ripe for an understanding enhancing discussion. Indeed, Skyrider's OP presents salient food for thought. Twinky counters by saying she doesn't think she can agree on the apparent main point, and then proceeds to enhance discussion with other salient points. I appreciate both but hope readers can look beyond terminology which might inadvertently shift focus to a win-lose posture. It doesn't have to be adversarial at this point. Defining terms can be helpful to clarifying discussion.

Political affiliations embrace religious ideology. Religious ideology embraces political affiliations. Six of one, half dozen of the other.