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Sometimes forgiveness is spelled I-N-G-O-D-W-E-T-R-U-S-T, which, lo and behold, is found on portraits of our dead presidents. Sure I can forgive TWI, what's it worth to them???

You amuse me! You focus on me like you know my 'needs'! Fine, o-ye-glutton-of-punishment, keep talking about my deliverance. I think you're confusing bitterness with apathy and anger with laughter. You see, looking back I have realised what a joke TWI was. But please, enlighten me on your heavenly plan! This way I can see which off-shoot cult I deal with. Don't forget to include the total pricetag in $ for my deliverance, after all I don't want to assume that your plan is free!

Or are you the ghost of VP BARNUM!

I am being delivered, my brethren or nervecurve. I actually hold no bitterness, but awful nice of you to focus on me. Which demon are you? Craig, John, Walter, the current head lady who i don't know? I'm sure your deliverence is in and with the Way. You know the truth, me, God, Satan, etc. Yes, yes, heard it, done it. I am in a new Christian church, that get this, ISN'T A CULT!, so get thee behind me Satan AND KISS MY @$$!

Since I've been on the internet for awhile, and having come from a cult experience, I'm no fool. Perhaps down the road this will be disproven, but for now I seek knowledge. To the point: I know there are Way sympathisers, spies, and even brass wouldn't surprise me, at this site. Fool me once TWI, huh? ...has there ever been a class action suit against their @$$???

PS...instead of thinking Caesar, think Washington!

Thanks for the welcome, Belle. The 'other ball game' has gotten me in trouble at other sites. It's kind of like ! Trust me, no one chooses to see it or acknowledge it. All I am going to say is read and interpret Mark 12:13-17, and think how this applies to atheists beliefs. Instead of me sticking my foot on my screen, you do it for me! ;)-->

Interesting!

Outin88!'s quote:RS: It has been rumored that VPW committed adultry with a church secretary and when his wife found out he said too bad if you don't like it, or something to that effect. Comment: Based on so many testimonials about VP committing adultry, the above rumor wouldn't surprise me This story sounds too familiar. I remember hearing it. I can't say if it was after my departure, or during my stay in hell.

OK, the man was charasmatic, so was Jim Jones. He taught the Bible in such away that it was uplifting and made you "feel" good, so did Jim. He was portrayed as The Man Of God, ditto. He was the absolute authority, ditto. Need I go further? I've heard, seen and met werewolf. He use to get personal with WOWs. My theory is they were his lambs for the slaughter. The uncanny thing about werewolf that I laugh to this day was how he would read and teach the Word. At some point he would run his right hand over his brow as if to remove his well-groomed hair from his eye. This would happen as he paused to make a remark about his teaching. So maybe that wasn't funny. What was funny were all the people who would imitate him to a 'T!' It seems everyone was a Weirwille incarnate. A piece of advice to that baldheaded bonehead...IT DOESN"T WORK IF YOU HAVE NO HAIR!

I've probably already said it, but I 'stumbled' on this site out of curiosity. I left TWI close to 25 years ago, and have never looked back, or had any desire to come back, or catch up with old fellow wayers. I still seek God, even though a false prophet blinded me to the truth. I needed to find out some things and happen to start reinvestigating TWI. Imagine my surprise when I started reading(here and other sites) what has happen to TWI. The truth has finally come to the light! The fact is that if you graduated PFAL, you were subject to TWI mind control. Some such as me, can try to run and avoid it, but we have been physically, emotionally and spiritually traumatized in some way, reguardless if you stayed a few days or decades after that. Talking about TWI, not so much holding a grudge against the people who were subjected to the same control, actually can help some heal. A certain website calculates that there are over 100,000 ex-wayers who have never dealt with their emotional scars and are still hurting. I actually am thankful for this, because at sometime these were issues we all dealt with. The anger, resentment, feeling of loss and having been deceived will linger and unless some get help, will never go away...which basically is a self-fulfilling prophesy that werewolf bestowed on us. I'm new here and I'm still catching up what happened since my departure. I had supressed my TWI experience so bad that I couldn't remember exact dates or years, but it's coming back slowly. If nothing else, we can remain vigilant for other Way Ministries that are out there that deal in Salvation of Doom!

Thanks for the enlightenment, Chas. You're right, I have no idea of the current or past WC at this point. I spoke of my era and the corps I seen first hand. I wrote about them elsewhere. I've been away since around '81 or '82 and this is my first return to anything TWI related. If not too personal, do you think the Martndale WC select eventually weeded out Werewolf's WC elite? After that could it be that Martindale to make his stronger had to weed out his own weak? Ever notice favoratism? What's the financial price to train and become a WC nowadays?

Agreed Great Bio! :)-->

I've written these experiences before under the same title as above. Unlike some, my tenure in TWI spanned 5 or 6 years at the most. Compared to some this is but a trinkle, but it was devastating nontheless! What would actually save me was the Jonestown experience. I knew in my mind that TWI was just as deadly even though they tried to hide it. I was always told that I go to extremes in situations. In TWI's case it was taking more than I could chew in the first months of my enrollment, thus burning out rather quickly. From April until November, I had done what few do, but took on too many responsibilities trying to do what's right. This made everything go wrong. Come with me now in the bowels of my personal hell, where I may return to add, clarify and answer questions. I may cut through some meaningless events or events I've erased from my memory, but let's start my rambling... I was witnessed at my local college in April of 1977. By June I had graduated PFAL at a cost of $100...then it doubled for the next class. I was a college student but found that I will still ABS what I could. I thought it was a miracle to take PFAL at their price. Out of about 15 people at the start 10 of us graduated. Of the others 3 left completely and 2 continued to fellowship but had a hangup over guess what?...the SIT instruction! Anyway I started to get a sense of 'fakeness' from those who were once our sponsors and such. At this class I became close with another classmate. I mean we became good friends and hung out. He had just transferred with his job from another State. He was a boss type, and would eventually give me a job. This person was witnessed in that other state but arrangements were made for him to still take the class. The WOW that witnessed to him and made the class happen for him would eventually become his wife. This is a book in itself, but let's move on... I remember a bunch of us going to THE MUST GO TO ROA. If you ask me how I came up with the money and how I managed to stretch it over the whole time is a great mystery to me. Anyway, I learned that the morons I was travelling with didn't know about routing on a map. We went from I-90 in Cleveland and I remember going throgh Columbus and Cincinnati. We basically made the letter 'U' which meant we went over 100 miles out of our way. No one slept and we finally arrive at the Kornfield in Knoxville. Set up the tents, and in our zombie states went on our tour. Which led to the opening ceremonies with airforce one, or whatever Werewolf called it, dives bomb over the Rock. Real impressive for a prop job! Still the sleep was in my eyes, but we got enough God Blesses to last for 10 years of sneezing! In hind sight, I have to ask Why I would listen to these endless sermons on a hot and humid night when I would buy the tape, anyway! Remember my friend and that WOW ambasador? Well they flew in, rented a car, and later went to their AC hotel room on a comfortable bed. I shared a tent with a psycho that wouldn't stop screaming if a fly was in the tent...did you guys happen to hear us, because there were always flies in the tent! It was a good time overall, even though I was constipated for the whole time, because there was no way I could use those portapotties from hell! Having confessed that, I wonder if what I did next was a calling from God, or Satan's practical joke!? I signed up to become a WOW ambassador! After 5 months I was full of the lord or somnething! My smart move was that I only signed up because I could stay local. The following year a fatah was issued No More Local WOWs. Gee I wonder why? From August to November is a little over three months. But as a whole this WOW outfit was doomed to fail. Their were 16 of us that were destined to take on my sinful city. Funny thing 2 others were local, too. One was immediately taken away from her family, and never return. The other left in a month and never returned. I lasted awhile longer, but continued to stay in the ministry. I had the worst of the families. Somehow our house leader had a hard time getting everyone to obey orders and do what they had to, but he took a particular hatred to me and was determined to make my life miserable. We also had a Corps family and it was the first time the corps sent people to the area was the word from old-timers. The whatever she was between the WC and the house leaders, she was a real bitch. Maybe she was Corps, too, but my mind draws a blank. There were some good times, but most things from my fellow WOWs were cruel, mean and inconsideratre. Maybe they had this jealousy issue that you were near things dear to you, and they were miles away. You had a job and they had to find one. And it goes on and on. Without going into the million and one details, I finally made the decision that WOW was a mistake and I needed to get out. I was going to go to our regional leader during his visit to tell him WOW isn't for me, but I wanted to continue in the ministry. A household brother caught us all by surprise, and had run off the very day. He left a letter and never looked back. His devils weren't as obvious as mine. As the regional leader told just our household about the guilt and the plight in his letter, I was still determined to get out and through the shock got the private session. I spoke my peace and wasn't going to listen to the fact of how detrimental my leaving would be. Can't remember exact pleasantries, but the regional leader although he didn't believe I would stick to with the ministry knew I was going to do what I must. I think he perceived it as a kick while they were down, but I actually surprised them. I continued in the ministry and actually did more than a WOW. Soon other families began to crumble. Out of 16 only 8 or 9 made it to the next Rock. 1977 was my first and last. Remember my friend who ended up marrying thatWOW ambassador? You would think that they would get married after her WOW year, but she ended up enrolling at The Way College in Emporia...and why not she was...ca-ching...rich! Therefore my theory of 'TWI inner circle!' My friend would eventually deprogram this pile of money and remove her completely. To those still blind:This girl was devoted to TWI to the point she wanted to go to the WC and perhaps even ministry. Her family was loaded with mansions and land in California, Colorado and New York. Her family had jobs in DC and hobknobed with powerful politicians. Still don't see it? When he took her away from TWI he took away A MAJOR MONETARY SOURCE from TWI. And if you think it didn't effect them, well, sure whatever! I think my friend married in '79 because it was after the three mile island accident. But in '78 we were very much in a state of shock with the jonestown massacre. That incident would have a big affect on mine and others lives, as we begin to question the true intentions of TWI. If you're a cult it is sometimes better to admit it than put up a senseless smokescreen and talk nonsense. We were told never to question the, ahem, Man Of God, and then tell us we don't have to drink werewolf's kool aid. A double-standard began to be sensed. A garbage man may be a trash engineer but he still stinks. A sect a cult, tomato tom-a-toe! And thus began the 'My Interpretation Is Your Guide!' Someone once said that ABS isn't only money, but the time you give to help follow believers. Of course, when you don't open that wallet after awhile some sermon comes up like 'say it with money!' We began to see TWI for the joke it was, but also knew that it was a powerful cult(Money=Power) that could literally destroy those who questioned it. Another friend not in TWI would keep us looking at things in reality so we wouldn't be blinded by the PRopaganda and double standards. During these times we had the deprogrammers kidnapping cult members and trying to bring them to a certain reality. Most know the stories how some got away, or were rescued by the Martindale Brigades for Allah! Truth was these weren't rescued or welcommed back because of their belief in God. Reality 101: Deprogrammers charged $1000 or more a day. The people being deprogrammed had $$$$$$! Get it! Had it been me, TWI would have wanted only what was currently in my wallet! So much like the current suicide bombers the kidnapped became TWI's heros. And the PR machine ate it up. I lost touch with everybody and anybody of those days. Don't know what happened to my old friend or if he's still married. Timelines and dates may confuse me a bit, because most of my WAYsted years are a blur as I purosely try to bury them into non-existance. This was just up until '79. Still I feel I'm missing something until this point. Still a new Corps leader arrived. He brought his friends...non corps just in TWI. They desided to weed, seed, use and humiliate. That was truly the beginning of the end... Might Be Continued

1) It took too long to break in. 2) New stuff doesn't go with the other old stuff we have(new sneakers and old, torn jeans and viceversa). 3) We are lazy and hate shopping. 4) We have no taste in fashion. 5) We feel we still are in as great a shape as 20 years ago. 6) If it bothers you, then YOU fix it (attitude)! 7) Chances of attracting opposite sex are a memory. 8) Had same job for years. 9) Am one with the universe and new stuff are frivolous and useless. 10) Fashion sense is non-existant. More importanly doesn't that couch go with our butts?

Gays are the ones who choose their own destiny not God. God basically has nothing to do with what perversions they or others prefer. God's abomination is more towards Christians who engage in that practice than non-believing gays. On the other hand, God is the only one who can judge them on it, it is not up to us to be prejudice towards them. People who seek sin, probably are trying to hide their own sinful nature. I may condemn the 'act' but should take a close look at myself before I point a finger. One truth is that to God, sin is sin.

For some reason -- I always thought Walter would get the job. But then again, I never knew all the *ins and outs* that were happening a thousand miles away from me either. Great point! You can also see the true meaning of the various branches, limbs and regions, etc. It was a form of Divide and Conquer!

Yeah from the statistics I am hearing it is 4000 tops from the 40000 of their peak in circa 1984. The bad thing about their declining membership and monetary contribution, now makes them a DANGEROUS Cult. When cult leaders feel they are about to lose control of their flock, that's when Jonestown becomes revisited. These are dirtbags that won't go down alone and will drag every/any one with them. Might sound harsh, but give it 2-5 more years.

No kiddin'! Somebody has to pay for that farm in New Knoxville and asking locals will bankrupt them fer sure! Your questions can be reversed and called Why Is The Way a true cult, in the very sense of the word? TWI doesn't give a rat's @$$ about the word, but rather they are after those high denominations of In God We Trust...that is their TRUE GOD!

The Bible is the Word and Will of God, but anyone can distort it to their own gains. My personal opinion is that almost EVERYONE in the USA distorts it at some point. Why do I specify USA? Because for some reason Christians don't see what atheist know about the word's accuracy. Curious? This is a whole other ball game that will not only incite controversy, but is a truth that most can't handle.

So little time and so much to catch up on. Martindale was given the legacy of TWI, huh? But did he bring it down, or was trouble bubbling on the horizon? Just before I severed my ties with The Withering Idiot, there was talk of a successor for Dr. Werewolf. Being in the northeast, many thought Lynn was a shoein. Well apparently he wasn't because he wasn't his cheerful self at the meetings he taught at. I saw Lynn go from a funny smiling person to a literal bastard. Must not have got it was the word circulating among the few. At this point I left because I had seen TWI for what it really was. An entity that would drain your physical, emotional and spiritual well-being, and not to mention your pockets! Craig must have really ruled with an iron fist, huh? It's funny how suddenly ex-members and brass are bringing accusations of the going ons at TWI. They never came forward when Weirwille was partaking of their glorious bounty. Werewolf was the one out of control that should have been exposed for the devil he was. His death was fitting for his judgement. About that, He and only He has to answer to the Almighty, and being maggot food brings him closer to the reality he tried to hide. Whoever came after him, basically inherited free money and their(meaning YOU) accounts. Any brass associated with TWI who claims to have left because TWI is no longer teaching the accuracy of the word are LYING! TWI is the same as it always was, but absolute power corrupts absolutely, and many seek their share through vendettas! If Lynn and others knew what was going on but kept silent to protect Werewolf, they are as guilty as Craig and any other smoke-screen moron that thinks they speak the truth. TWI is and always has been a PRopaganda lying machine that deceives by any means for monetary gain. I saw this happen around the Jonestown massacre when their goals became to A. disprove that TWI was a cult and B.(or Lynn's catch phrase)If Weirwille tells you to drink Kool Aid you just tell him "Chapter and Verse!" This didn't stand as I did what the natural man(according to the false prophet) calls soul searching and asked an honest question like "If Werewolf said you have to drink 'THIS' for salvation would you do it?" In all honesty as brainwashed as I was I determined I would...that is when it became apparent the TWI was a cult. Was Dangerous. Was distorting the Truth to fulfill it's own needs. After that it actually took me a little over 2 years to completely sever ties. Even as I changed addresses, TWI would still send their newsletter, regardless of me marking Return To Sender and dropping it back in a mail box. When I finally wrote on the outside of the envelope: Warning-Continued harassment will result in a lawsuit! I never heard from them again! It's all about the money, because that's TWI's TRUE GOD!

Where has everyone been? Blind? The WCs I knew back in the 70s and 80s came from wealthy backgrounds. None held jobs but yet lived in nice houses in nice sections. Their vehicles were full of gas, their furniture was expensived as were their cars, food on the table, and family needs met. If it wasn't coming from ABS then somebody's daddy was paying for it. Add that most physical labor that needed to be done was done by the poor mindless subordinats, and I guess God supplied your needs! I guess this is a spiritual world thing, because in the real world, even back then, it didn't add up!

Just my opinion and observation: being'IN' means you came from a rich and wealthy background. The only one's in the inner circle were those who came from 'rich and wealthy' families. Everyone else may have perceived they were in, but were actually used for work or entertainment. When I left TWI, a very rich girl left, too. I think her loss was more felt than mine, but lo and behold that was in the early '80s! Then all hell really broke loose!

I just joined, or was accepted, as you can tell. I've been out of TWI for over 20 years and from the look of it, missed the moments of rude awakening, which I saw long before. I have started searching TWI info, because I plan to join a Christian church and needed to clarify some mind-control that was still haunting me from TWI. About any 'net site, they peak at one time, then begin to fall...that's life. But never fear signals has entered the building...unfortunately I have a lot to say about TWI.

It all depends on how you can fine tune your PRopaganda, and if people really buy into your gullible story of being THE man of God. Maybe I should clarify: It depends who 2 Corinthians 4:4 likes better!