WhiteDove

May I suggest when you do, a double death set would be a sure collectors item. The death of Superman and 12/3/09 the death of Obama-man's cabinet and stimulus bill together in one set.

We have these conversations because you fail to read what is written and try to put words in my mouth. I then have to correct your misrepresentation of what I actually said. Then you seem to think that somehow you know what I said better than me. Case in point I never stated any such thing pure fabricated fiction on your part. I spoke from my experience and so noted it ,never did I speak of all churches, you invented that idea all on your own.

Actually I was expressing my opinion of our pesident as a comic book character. I know we are making a change to a new low in the presidential office, I just thought the man might have some dignity. Speaking of new lows The first 14 days....... Two oops three cabinet member nominees under scrutiny for tax evasion Kenedy and Richardson withdraw their names 5 major newspapers today call for withdrawal of Daschle Latest gallop poll 38% of the people approve of the stimulus plan 10% of the people actually think it will do any good at creating jobs. What a record of change...... EDIT FOR LATE BREAKING EDITION Obama's Choice for Chief Performance Officer Withdraws Name Nancy Killefer, the management consultant and former Treasury official who had been picked by President Obama to serve as the country's chief performance officer, has withdrawn from consideration for the post, White House officials confirmed this morning. In a two-paragraph resignation letter, Killefer indicated that controversy over failure to pay taxes by two other high-profile nominees of Obama's had convinced her to decline the new president's request to join his administration. Killefer had a tax lien placed on her house by the D.C. government in 2005 because she had not paid unemployment taxes for her household help. This cabinet just keeps getting better every moment.....what confidence they instill. yep thats change you can believe in. Edit for more breaking news Daschle makes a dash...... has withdrawn from consideration for the post in Obamas cabinet Well another one of Obamas tax evader friends bites the dust that's two in one day Anybody wonder why one person happens to know so many terrorists,race haters,and tax evaders or do you really think he just met them all at a party?

Of course they can but it is doubtful we need our president looking like some kind of comic book character. but i guess that is part of the change program to bring less dignity to the office.

I think I pretty much know what I said and yoiur verrsion was not a factual representation of what i said.

I know of no offshoot that has stated that churches are worthless. Nor have they controlled anyone from attending a church, had you read my previous post you would note that I attended a new one last week. I did so to compare just as you mentioned. I found social gospel and a cup of coffee. A nice building that is designed to pull in young people with flat screens and coffee bars and I'm ok your ok philosophy. It was tried and found wanting of biblical truth. I don't go to church looking for coffee I can buy my own thanks, nor looking for them to meet my needs in life, that's what jobs are for, I go for spiritual truth to be enlightened in the scripture, to be inspired by believers in the Bible not the number one on the best seller of Christian books.

And how exactly would you know what I visit? She has no point to be made she failed to read the post correctly. I spoke of my experiace just as you have here, I also never said it applied to all churches that was her misquote. We were speaking of what makes offshoots havens and I believe it is scriptural teaching and likeminded fellowship . Truth and doctrine is greatly beneficial to the individual in living life. We have Obama to provide social programs for those who are in need of such.

My post was in reference to the first one not GSG's I have no deep seated anger ,I just think that our state in this country demands leadership and well researched plans of which I have not seen as of yet. So far it has been the liberal wish list in action. Gee I thought we elected a president not a comic book hero. P.S. Thanks for your concern but rest assured that I'm enjoying every breath, with Obama-man in office I realize it just might be my last.

I don't recall such practices I think one was free to come or go as they pleased, I think the term was freely avail themselves to fellowship.

I think it is fairly logical that one can not critique honestly something that they have not been a part of. I believe you failed to read what I said..... I lumped nothing together and referenced nothing "as all." Perhaps you missed these important parts of my post. for the most part , For the most part at least in cases I have seen " ,IMHO" As to offshoots I have stayed fairly in tune with what many are and have been doing through teachings weekly ,monthly, newsletters, personal communication ,books, and personal involvement. I can pretty much tell you with a fair degree of accuracy what the top 25 or so are up to over the last 19 years or so, despite the fact that I only live in Kansas. Some have online live hookups that you can login to as well. I also make it a point to visit many churches note I did not say every church but a representation of most denominations, in fact last week I just attended a new one the Journey church here. It is a blue jeans and latte kind of church. People can sit out in the coffee shop and watch the service on flat screen televisions if they desire. The large hall adjacent to the auditorium has round tables and bar stools along with a coffee bar. I can personally attest to the fact that many of the churches around here as many I have read about in other places for the past few years have been deeply involved with the new best sellers like the Purpose Drivel Life, The Prayer of Jabez and other such books Not exactly Bibles or scripture. That's fine if free coffee and social commentary are what you want, I don't qualify that as scripture. Had you read my post the answer to your question was in the following line to the one you quoted Not that those are necessarily bad things just not at the sacrifice of scripture IMHO. I see many of these havens have progressed toward programs as the years and finances have allowed them. Again it is a matter of what you focus your ministry on some are more interested in soup kitchens than biblical teaching, I think there is a place for both .

Why would we need a comic book? Our economy is in shambles and our leader is concerned about some fantasy book . How prophetic this is of the next four years ,a comic book ,and the joke is on us.....more appropriatly the joke is in charge of us

You have predetermined that his answer should be short. In order to do that you must then know the answer, otherwise you would have no idea if it was long or short. we can conclude from this that you already have the answer you wish to hear. It's easy to fire off foolish questions designed to make someone type out a long time consuming answer for something that you admittedly have your short answer for. Which was the point, with several doing the same it is simply the circle game designed to silence him by trying to keep up.

Your questions may have been straightforward and to you they may require a short answer ,possibly because you have decided the answer in advance and you think it's short, Mike may see it differently if you don't want his answer and already have yours as what you want to hear then why bother the man?

I suppose it would depend on the group. Unless one has been involved with each of them all ,and there are a bunch, it is doubtful that one could intelligently offer a critique of them as a whole. I would say primarily that they are a doctrinal haven ,mainstream churches for the most part are social doctrine oriented. Each having it's own pattern of things they accept, some offer speaking in tongues some just wave their hands at you kinda like the tax preparer guys on the corner now. It would be rare to see the scripture as a center of doctrine as former way followers have been used to. For the most part at least in cases I have seen those that found haven in traditional church settings abandoned the scripture in favor of social or program driven ministries. Not that those are necessarily bad things just not at the sacrifice of scripture IMHO. I see many of these havens have progressed toward programs as the years and finances have allowed them. Again it is a matter of what you focus your ministry on some are more interested in soup kitchens than biblical teaching, I think there is a place for both . Do we all need to be the same? One not affiliated with the way Truth for Today has been around for some time they are a more scriptural based study group , of course that comes from a group of authors like Bullinger, Welch and others way believers were familiar with.

Typical response........ In case you have not noticed their are at least 6 of you posting one to two posts a day just in the last pages of this thread. There is one Mike which I'm sure you are grateful for . Have you considered the time invested in trying to keep up with several questions from several posters? Like his answers or not why don't you give the man a break to answer, or is that the point just to harass someone in numbers.

What, your having a squirrel?

A Shelter Dog asks God... Author: Joan C. Fremo Dear God, What is "Time"? I hear the sadness in the voices of workers here. They say my "Time is up", that they have to make room for yet another dog. My "Time" is up. I don't know what that means, God. I only know that my new friends are so sad, and the more I wag my tail... the harder I try to make them feel better... The sadder they become. I know I have heard that word "Time" before, but I don't understand. When I was younger, my people would say "Time to play!" They would throw the ball, and I would run fast. Sometimes I brought it back to them, but other times we'd end up chasing each other having fun. I remember "Time to eat". My people would put down a bowl of food, and I would enjoy dinner, wagging my tail in joy. There was also "Time for your walk". My boy would put my leash on, and we would go walking together, visiting the neighborhood and enjoying each other's company. When I was younger I thought "Time" meant fun. Or maybe Love? I don't understand. "Time" must mean something else, but how can it change, God? Before I came here, I heard my people say, "No time to feed you now, boy. Later, when I get home." Sometimes my family would forget, and there was no food in my bowl. Does "Time" mean when my belly hurts? My people said there was no time for walks. I tried to hold it all day long-- but God, I just couldn't anymore. When I finally had to go, it made my family very angry. Does "Time" means anger? Or maybe Loneliness? My family said they didn't have "Time". They didn't have time to play, or time to take me to the vet, or time to go for walks. They didn't have "Time", so they brought me here. Maybe I was right... They said they didn't have time, and if "Time" means Love, how did they lose it? Did I do something wrong? God, I think my new friends are sending me to you. Do you have "Time"? May I sit on the couch? Am I a good Dog, God? Is it "Time"? ========================================= One of the most important things we can give our Pets is "Time". The time to love them, care for them, and train them. Animal Shelters and Humane Societies across the country are filled with Pets whose families didn't have "Time". Every year, the "Time is up" for 12 million companion Pets. Do you have the "Time" to make a difference?

Getting Wasted...... I just can't seem to wrap my mind around that as an ambitious goal. But then I guess I remember when I was a teenager once too.

They seemed to be able to get to the party all by their lonesome so I guess ir had nothing to do with the goverment when they wanted to.

I wonder how can nearly 2 million blacks get into Washington DC in sub zero temps in 1 day when 200,000 couldn't get out of New Orleans at 85 degrees with four days notice?

He also did The Abundant Life video

What a cool story. I'm glad that Bella lives where stray dogs can find a new life, not as shark bait. There is another lesson, rescued animals are among the most loyal there are the have been given a second chance at life and I believe that they know it. They never forget any kindness toward them if you are a human or an elephant ,and will be a friend for life.

So ,we can measure success in various conditions.... Success for TWI Success for the person (The WOW) Success for others Success for God Here is a success story for one of the others,and for God in song WOW Ambassadors Dean Ellenwood There’s a group of people speaking forth God’s Word today They’re gonna grow with God this year, they believe and pray And God will bear His arm for them, that is for sure They’re our WOW Ambassadors. And the WOW Ambassadors they work for God it’s plain to see They do their best to walk like Christ who set the captives free And they’re true believers they believe to give their all, and then give more. And they’re growing as they learn to live WOW Ambassadors Early in the morning they rose up from their beds they might have felt like going back to sleep But they read God’s Word instead And as those sunny words of life woke up their sleepy heads Well they grew excited as they thought about the day ahead And one by one their family well they gathered round to pray And it’s always so exciting just to hear what God will say Well that day was bound to be special to the people in that town Well it’s a blessing when a Son of God stands on holy ground And the WOW Ambassadors they work for God It’s plain to see They do their best to walk like Christ who set the captives free And they’re true believers they believe to give their all, and then give more. And they’re growing as they learn to live WOW Ambassadors Now early that same morning another man in that town had been awake all night He lay wishing for the light, He was hungry nigh unto death to know the truth He thought what’s the use of living? If there’s no truth to be found And he found himself at a lonely end just wondering what’s the use? But….. It was then that WOW Ambassador arrived upon that scene He was on his way to work but then he saw that man in need And he had the love to speak those words of life to that mans heart And it cast away the darkness there and made a brand new start He said ….at last here is the sunshine at last here is the son As excited questions flooded from a heart held down so long It had been so many lonely years but at last this man was free And he’s thankful to this day I know because that man was me And the WOW Ambassadors they work for God It’s plain to see They do their best to walk like Christ who set the captives free And they’re true believers they believe to give their all, and then give more. And they’re growing as they learn to live WOW Ambassadors WOW Ambassadors

I think they used roughly the same paper in both, and it was a poor grade, but the binding cost would have dropped considerably in the hard cover and the gold stamping on it.

This may be a fine point Like you I bought a few at the rock, that I had given away or loaned out along the way I'd say up until 74 maybe. But I think Mike may be right as well they were discontinued , it's just that they had a stock built up and they discounted them out to clear them out.