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as screwed up as L ron was.. I think he saw something.. yes, perhaps we were born into this life before.. and a drug riddled, sci-fi author kind of mind attached a rather bizarre non-conclusion to our origins.. no, we wern't some kind of cretans, humbled and enslaved by some emperor in a galaxy, long long away.. that's about all the credence he gets, from me..

actually, that's quite a lot to add.. I have a few off center beliefs.. *some* might be considered *close* to scientology doctrine.. but then.. you'd have to toss in.. all kinds of *stuff*.. not that I claim to be normal or sane.. but my insanity is my own.. no, I don't need to buy any more.. and what I have is not for sale.. maybe the point here is.. they take their little itty bitty nugget of "truth?".. and why do they insist upon selling it.. I really think it is *magic* (excuse the phrase) until they stick a greasy price tag on it.. it turns miracles into snake oil as soon as the price tag adheres to the product.. then comes all kinds of politics and such.. its not "pretty"..

Your wow brother JOHN TALLMAN would like to hear from you.. I posted here once I thought, can't find it..

I hope you didn't just go and start a church somewhere else or something..

I don't know if it "rocked my world.." but all the steamy little details just filled in a whole lot of suspicions and verified a common sense conclusion that I may have drawn from what I observed.. we were following a madman.. and there were other madmen who thought their own version of wienervillian nuttiness was any better. Like Waysider.. I didn't read any of geero's psychotic rambling until I found it on the front page of gs cafe. Honestly.. the *man* is a moron.. in my opinion. and he's left "holding the bag" after the vicmeisters demise.. there are those.. who I had INTIMATE relationship with. Supposedly "brothers and sisters" in the "household.." of those two or three who thought I was too "spiritually immature" or some such nonsense to "handle the truth".. and withheld what they knew.. to you I say.. Pffft. you were supposed to be some kind of "watchman".. you are also left holding the bag, by default..

and his thugs who are still alive are left holding the bag..

I saw it. I was just waiting to see if anyone else noticed.. When I saw that, I checked the calender to see if it was April the 1st.

and it looks like he's learned from j.l. after all.. it isn't a *teaching*.. its a mind numbing EPISTLE.. the *little* article is way, way, way too long.. by the time one has listened or even just read it through, one is practically numbed enough to believe almost anything.. why can't he just get to the friggin point? at least he didn't spin yarns about arguing with bible clearing house officials, and make the unsubstantiated claim (at least to the present in my opinion) of how the *cowards* won't sell us eastern versions of bibles or something.. unless I missed it when I skipped a few pages while drooling on the keyboard..

Hmm. That's a thought.. but the "other translations" explanation seems to read "line by line, word by word" from the old orange book..

One place I found with a web search: http://www.picturesofsilver.com/abundantly/abundantly02-01.htm The only "sources" quoted were.. the lamsa bible, and the pfal book.. based on what? What versions? Is there one bit of credibility to this claim? I found three clones of this web page.. and all they have is lamsa and pfal..

Not after rosie got through with him..

Probably.. from what it looks like, all the good guys ended up at greasepot cafe.. kinda ironic, isn't it?

call me "nuts".. but here it goes.. I think there were two or three of them.. and when life looks like its going on a dead end or something.. sometimes I ask them.. "what now fellas?" I mean.. according to the agreement.. there had to be something in it for them.. take it or leave it..

maybe.. my earliest memory.. or impression.. was a meeting with some kind of committee.. I'm not kidding.. we made some kind of "deal".. and shortly after, I ended up being flushed down some kind of cosmic "crapper".. but right before the big flush, da numbnuts were telling me something like I'd better get it right this time.. and that *likely* I'd not remember the conversation..

I dunno.. I don't think death is that terrifying. Coming alive into this existence.. now that was more like what people perceive as death than dying.. most just can't remember it.. two sides of the same coin I think..

so far.. one limb guy. didn't partake in the nasty.. maybe the *best* of they way ended up here after all.. :)

I think it is a fair question. I'd like to see some honest responses.. but I'm not entirely holding my breath.. cmon. You're just talking to a Squirrel. Can't be harder than talking to the Almighty.. Really.. if you never post here, your vote on the poll would still have some relevance..

or maybe because he was up to his eyeballs in the same reprehensible behavior.. kinda like "honor" among abusive thugs or something like that..

I've asked the same question. "where's the beef?" Even to the most maniacal ex-follower.. It looks nice, it sounds nice.. what does it actually DO? Asides from a lot of talk- and isn't that all tongues with interpretation and prophecy were? I've seen "miracles" happen right in the light of day.. and they did NOT advertise herr vicster, or da word like they think it hasn't been known since dinosaurs roamed the earth.. My vote is on the last proposition.. if anything, for me, the classes and how to did more to stifle any real spirituality rather than develop it.. just put it in a small box, where the creator has to obey the right kind of rules to get any attention.. I'm sorry for your friends.. and for your loss. I have a few different beliefs regarding this..

That my friend.. and I say that sincerely. Is the reason you cannot seem to really consider..

asides from some "rousing" tunes and such from way productions.. the snippets of sessions I've seen really were lame.. or more lame and less convincing than the earlier days.. maybe he took an honest look at it.. and realized in a marketable sense, it would be a failure.. "well, keeds.. thanks and all, but gawd (me) says we need to stick with the old schtick.."

or that he couldn't really "perform" anymore and needed a convenient reason to can the project..

good points. Maybe it was just to keep us hopping. You know.. guessing the true or original intent..

True.. but it gave apparent credibility to him and his plagiarized product.. there were other anecdotes.. I don't mind if people comment on those as well.. the famed "meeting(?)" between herr vicster and "the greatest theologian in all europe" ascribed to in session 11.. when did it occur? Barth died in 1968.. when did the vicster take a whirlwind tour of europe?