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And the most *interesting* point is where he actually has the b*lls to quote this verse: with the adultery and who knows what else he partook of in wayworld.. whatever *sin* he partook of afterward.. the false prophecies, the promotion of church dividing "training" (momentus).. doesn't the verse 17 apply to HIM? Unbelievable.. but some people will still follow in the direction his finger is pointing.. after decades of this nonsense.. you still support him? Blood is on your own head..

what a *gem*.. He remembers and counts the years, days, times and hours of his *ordination* by a greasy, repugnant, abusive drunk con-man.. He is still proud of it.. Just a thought. How many offshoots do you think he went to to apply for a job before taking the more extreme measures he outlines here? No, he wouldn't grovel. But he'd pick up the phone and make a call, and make a few subtle hints.. Isn't it intriguing.. not one of them wants him.. with momentus, the personal prophecy flap.. the adultery.. the controversy that is ces.. he has made himself SO *unique* that nobody wants him.. in a professional manner, that is.. he would be *lucky* enough to get a job cleaning a chapel.. let alone preaching in it..

I see he is targeting high school graduates by the Flesh Kincaid and ARI assessments..

I wonder how much legal baggage he's carrying into the new *organization* from the greaser's..

*The incredible splintering tree* *Play it again Sam, inc.* *Dog and pony show, act III*.. I just can't come up with something with the right ring to it, and still be accurately descriptive..

It's way too long.. why can't he just make his point with one short paragraph.. just what I need.. another epistle to "master" or something.. the raw length of it reeks of egotism..

what he's not banking on.. supposing whatever.. there are a hundred or more maniacs more depraved than he who would find use for his "resources" providing it is a *real* disaster. Some, even if it is a non-disaster.. they all go to the same place.. somewhere off the beaten path.. supposedly.. maybe he's reading. If so.. here it is.. "you are better off in the middle of civilization when (if) it hits.." no blood on my head now, fella..

Considering the one "victim" of the program who chose to post here developed a sudden inability to speak.. maybe they have..

Sounds like he's going for the *big* (non?) disaster.. 2012.. all the other "prophecies" have seemingly failed.. so you grab some grub, a hand full of women, and hole up somewhere in the outer reaches, where (supposedly) nobody will notice.. it's classical.. classical (sub)human behavior. Fascinating..

You idjits running this thing.. you are so dysfunctional.. you really have no business running anybody else's life.. masquerading as some kind of *man* (*men*) of gawd.. you can't even take care of your own pudgy self.. I don't claim to be much better. You could analyse my life and pick it apart as well. Please feel free to do so. But I'm not bringing my nonsense to the next generation either.. they don't NEED my nonsense.. at least I have the sense to acknowledge it..

I dunno.. but with some of the drugs he was involved with, I imagine he saw things that made snow lined gas pumps look mild by comparison..

as did the vicster. Same concept, slightly different vocabulary.. like the teaching, where does the life in the blood come from.. from the "seed" of course. crowley called it something like the divine logos or something.. certainly lived the same lifestyle.

I wonder if he had any dealings with Aleister Crowley..

generally, I think the light shows itself first.. it has to.. I don't know if I would agree that withdrawal is "proper".. more than necessary..

Very interesting..

this quote is from the "do they talk about the victster's cause of death on the corps site" thread. seems appropriate here.. what is this group doing which is any different?

I just wonder.. did you happen to have some kind of experience.. looked at some kind of light.. everything kinda just melted away.. and you just happened to barely survive.. I had something like that happen..

I am almost afraid of offering any reply to this.. ah.. where will we go.. what will we see..

Red drapes? Looks like he has enough to last him for a lifetime.. apparently this is two years in a row for the *disturbed woman*..

Hmm.. well, its more than a good possibility..

I dunno. well.. maybe.. just maybe.. he really WANTED some disturbed woman to assault him, and drag him to the floor.. there is a note of seriousness here. However casual.. but it's there..

I remember that stupid claim.. the character who supposedly witnessed to me.. "if it weren't for da way, well, with the amount of drugs I did (do) I'd a be dead.." affiliation with herr vicster didn't seem to reduce his proclivities for sex, drugs and rock and roll.. maybe *miraculously* he survived.. somehow was immune to the consequences..

Greetings. What was your WD experience like?

I don't have any sons. At least not that I am aware of. That is all. Carry on..

Hmm. I wondered what they *did* for a living..