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I voted "what corruption".. those "in the know" for one reason or another could not reveal the depths of depravity.. I had no idea..at the time..

I don't know if it just keeps happening, one lifetime after another.. until we are some kind of homogenized cosmic chicken soup or something.. vewy sarey. Vewy, vewy scarey.

we've begged, bargained for this existence.. why would one want to close their eyes and just "get over it".. I'd say more, but I don't know if this is the right audience..

I just wonder.. why would (or in some cases could) one want to "get over" experiences that define their for lack of better words, existence? Some people, this defined much of their existence.. others less, some practically nil.. my experience at a Junior college, and four year university in mid-life also define much of "me"..as well as the pains of adolescence.. parents.. loss of both parents before I could sufficiently "rebel".. Marriage.. being a responsible adult, caring for family with children.. Divorce.. and the pains involved with that.. personally.. I wouldn't want to just "get over it". I think its a part of "me".. maybe there will be more of "me" if I "keep truckin".. I think just "getting over it" a cheap fix..

I dunno. I keep coming back to the thought.. they've sent a boy to do a man's job.. why is this.. confront us "vindictive" god rejectors with da "love of god".. it's just my impression.. looks like the same thing, all over again..

What's real despicable to me.. they have done this to a feeble minded kid. No, not the guy posting here.. but v2p2. He is barely out of college.. bachelor's degree. Why isn't he going after a master's if he's so brilliant? Or developing himself along professional lines? I can only guess.. but when he graduated, *somebody* said "now that you've got that out of your system, it's time to get with it.." They named him after the "greatest" mogster they thought they knew.. He responds only to praise, that I can see.. ask a couple of hard questions and he doesn't have any more use for you.. and he is surrounded by yes men of the lowest degree, in my opinion.. but he can't withstand them. He's feeble-hearted. Can't turn down the praise or worship.. "a great man of god"?? where did that start? That's another good question.. was the group INSTRUCTED in this, and by whom? more questions.. well, if you're still kicking around here Caleb.. please forward these to the board along with the rest..

You marry the girl, generally, you marry the parents and extended family as well.. something to think about.

Happy Birthday friend! Hope you had a good day.. see you are 57. Don't feel old. You will be in one of your primes again.. two years from now in fact. :)

I think this describes a lot of the situation: http://bible.cc/2_chronicles/13-7.htm Jeroboam figured out he had no need of Solomon, or of Solomon's son either.. but don't inflate your ego too much.. you are by no means a Solomon, or Rehoboam.. but you'd be surprised how small a hill of beans people will fight over..

Why else do you think old grampa vicster the first ran crying to geero in scotland? I think PART of the story is true. In his dying days, he saw the political maneuvering, the subtle behind the scenes negotiations.. in short, his *men* (if one could call it that) were actually growing up, to be just like him.. and he was POWERLESS to seize the reins again. So off he went, to what he perceived as the strongest *man(?)* in the "ministry"..to get things "in line" again.. and his *men*, along with geero, ended up carving up *his* ministry, actually whole groups of PEOPLE, like a thanksgiving turkey.. your day will come, bub..if it lasts that long.. I hope you grow eyes in the back of your head..

and this is why your organization won't last. Its built on weakness. In my opinion, also a sickness. Laziness.. Proverbs 24:10 So you can't muster up enough strength to bring about a "revival" of old ministry "values".. so what to do? Find a group of "young men and women" who will take up the cause, FOR you..offer them the moon, of course with a few conditions.. while you stay safe, hole up in the mississippi swamp, barking orders from behind the lines.. eventually, they will grow up, and figure out they have no need for you.. and they will strip you dry.. if you survive that long.. you shoulda just gone back to school, bub..

*Gardeners.. to your implements..*

I dunno.. maybe you need another "gig"..

yep.. hard job, trying to herd "rebellious" "sheep" who've been fleeced and or possibly raped back to the "fold".. maybe you need better "feed".. "truth or tradition" stuff looks pretty rancid..

Proverbs 24:10 is appropriate here..

Yep. It's a hard life, confronting the world with da "word" and all.. you don't seem to be making much progress here. if you're tired and all.. maybe you need to get about ten to twelve followers, promise them an "excellent adventure", "professional" training in da word.. lots of sunshine, some work to do.. a "future(?)" in the organization if they are committed enough.. and after nine months, send them out to confront the world with da "word" for you..

yep. Life is always "easier" when everybody simply agrees with you..

I hardly say never.. but I think it applies here.. we will NEVER see anyone in "authority" in that organization publically answer questions, in an uncontrolled setting.. I think they have cut every last thread holding themselves to any kind of accountability, to anyone. Same as the parent organization. There is no debate. Period. It's looks like a paramilitary organization..and that's the impression they are ALLOWING me to have. they appear to use the same tactics.. send out "inductees" to do their dirty work. And sit back as lazy, overweight, "lords".. figuring how to move the pawns around.. I think that is a calm, reasonable, logical perception.. no, I don't think we will EVER see anyone give any real answers..

"That'll be over easy. forget the white.."

*some of us* are just suckers.. the mournful cry.. the big eyes..

I think vic's theology was only a symptom, or a sub-set of a larger disease.. sell PLAF and keep the abs running.. is a small microcosm of: sell cheap junk and keep the tax base (barely) running.. I think he made some "deals" with a few real "devils"..

So you DO cook the cats an egg (or two)..indirectly, that is..

I was actually being nice.. he was the first one from the group to offer a few answers.. who REALLY should be here doling out answers is.. the board. Whoever they all happen to be.. not this "young man".. if they had an ounce of honor that is.. it appears as the same ploy practiced by the old ministry.. send its "followers" out to take the brunt of hard questions.. hide in the safety of some corn field or farm swamp somewhere.. send out dictates (ahem, teaching cd's) once in a while.. As long as its humanly possible, NEVER put oneself in an uncontrolled situation. That seems to be where da "ministry" ended up, half way through to present.. Caleb, would you please kindly forward the questions to the board? Surely they would want to know peoples genuine concerns, and address them, wouldn't they?

I would much rather one of the (in my perception of reality based opinion) numbnuts that run the thing come and answer a few questions.. instead *they* (very well possibly) send this guy.. why? maybe.. to produce "living proof" that the world is out to persecute *them* or something.. "awwww, I was nice, and look what *they* did to me.." he's what.. 22 years old. Barely out of diapers.. if you don't mind the expression.. I don't think he has the capacity to know he was (more than possibly) manipulated.. Even if *they* didn't send him.. they KNOW he's been here by this time, unless they are entirely moronic and clueless.. at least in my opinion.. Maybe its his first post-program "witnessing" assignment.. but that's another question I'd like answered.. they just keep piling up..

Technically, what's the difference? It just seems to me, to do one, is to do the other.. to do the other, is to do the one.. according to loys rabid rants, there was quite a difference.. but I think the difference is in semantics..