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I think we've been in this battle one lifetime after another.. to the sowers, da way.. etc. etc.. I'll take off my mask, if you'll take off yours..

but one really really good "hallucination" very well might defuse a similar kind of religious "zeal"..

Maybe as he approached the end, he could hear the screams from the other twisted creatures like himself, being worked over by the guy in the red suit.. and started having a few doubts..

That makes a lot of sense.. box his ears in private.. then "reward" him with followers who praise his name.. rewards/punishment.. yep. it is obvious that mac can't do it on his own. Pathetic.. idea of "witnessing" is trespassing on way property. and pa.. apparently didn't have enough power to keep rosie, or was it loy, from tossing him out on his rear.. pathetic. usurped by those who learned the "craft" from his pa (gramps).. I sense a great deal of thinly veiled anger there..

Out of the mouth of one of your "babes".. I may not have been there for the "training".. but I certainly can observe BEHAVIOR. Do you observe anything you remotely consider "troubling"? As soon as you open the starting gate.. what are his first words.. words of praise, praising a YOUNG INEXPERIENCED KID. He's your emissary, out singing the praises of vic II. There is no God in this.. here we have a newest recruit praising the virtues of a MAN.. a boy, at that.. "he is agreat man of God".. there is no question in this kid's head.. as regards to vic II.. in my opinion, you have created a monster..

I think it started with the vicster, himself. He called himself that in the dialog with the "Indian Official" right in the first session of pfal. He had the Indian guy say "That a *manogawd* would bless god's people, irrespective of whether they are christian or hindu.." but he wouldn't call himself that, directly. He let others. Maybe early corps could chime in on this.. my impression is that the concept of the vicster being some kind of prophet or apostle may have been drummed into them by the overseers.. same for vic II. He has little emissaries going about praising his itty bitty name..

The "schizophrenic" part of it is that these "men" want to be (or have the appearance of being) some kind of great "menogawd".. and that is a PUBLIC role. But they feel inquiry is a violation of their private lives.. which makes me conclude, their public and private lives and ethics are far, far removed from one another.. in real life, they have no more power than me.. no power to silence their (supposed) critics.. their pants don't go on any different in the morning.. the "great manogawd's" "humility" he speaks of.. is only part of the public personna.. in private, I get a response to a few relatively easy questions.. in essence, "harrumph.. an elder outgher not act like that.." I guess the "elders" are supposed to kiss his rear..

I agree.. its the same.. same as the old "ministry" in every manner.. including the dodging and secrecy of those on top.. so they sit comfy with diligently and precisely split hardwood fire in their fireplaces.. and send child warriors out on missions like this.. technically, he's probably doing exactly as they "trained" him..

but he's confused.. would he go through the program again? Noooo.. did he like the "rules"..? Noooo.. as bad as this sounds.. I think the parents couldn't figure out any other place for him to go.. he seems to have a good work ethic and all.. I wonder who really is calling the shots in all of this.. is he back on the parents farm.. seventy hours of work a week? too many questions.. too few answers..

Wasn't that the "sin" of Achan? just a thought.. and this goes to another question.. is one "encouraged" by the "modern" organization to remember der way in the will? To give the money to those who supposedly have a greater purpose for it, instead of "thankless" children who need an education and such? I always thought "dr's" dream of including herr way in the will as a rather morbid concept as well..

I'm surprised, just because somebody stuck their head up out of that nasty old hole.. or whatever it is there.. just the wrong person. I prefer someone supposedly "in charge".. and I'd be polite, as long as I wasn't handed a big line of bull sheet..

Yep. And the only difference between this little "adventure" and the subject of the link.. the sowers guys carry bibles, not ak-47's. I think that could change in a heartbeat.. but to name a kid after a less than admirable character.. raise him to think he's some kind of messiah.. destined to "resurrect" da word and all.. how many false prophecies went on before him.. really, it is no less than child abuse.. in my opinion. I hold the "elders" at lower regard than him, at the moment.. I think they are despicable..

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,970386,00.html

so, what are you supposed to do in the mean time? Camp on their doorstep or front yard, like a vulture?

while we are on questions.. Were you taught that the holocaust never happened, or if it did, it was "greatly exaggerated"? Were readings from the Myth of the six million part of sowers teaching? How about a certain reverence toward fred leuchter's "scientific" "findings"? Did you agree with what was stated or have serious doubts about it? What does "leadership" think of our current president? just toss these little questions in the pot with the rest of them..

I'll say this.. you have a rough row to hoe.. infinitely harder than the one I had as a WOW.. *good luck*.. heh

So what are you REALLY producing.. child warriors.. they look innocent and all. But they are vacuous souls..

Perhaps this explains everything.. looking for.. kids under twenty five years old.. why? You have no use for older, experienced individuals? maybe you are "witnessing"? I know some kids under twenty five.. you can't have them.. sowey.. they are smarter than the average "witnesser".. even without my personal influence.. Most "kids" under twenty five still have all of their teeth.. is that it? you've learned your master's lessons, well.. I know one of them.. who abandoned your kind of nonsense.. and found the Roman Catholic faith more palatable, than what you have to offer..

Ah yes.. "present (I'm still in da dumb *ministry*) *truth* and all.. I hope you get a favourable "out" soon, friend.. Old Wayfers don't *die*.. they just fade away..

Perhaps.. but maybe the not so smart make a lot of bad purchases along the way.. death by bad shopping..

hasn't been my experience. Maybe I'm butt ugly or something, and just don't know it..

No problem.. my threads are usually semi-organized chaos anyway..

And.. when the sowers weren't being "good".. what if any was the punishment? Group scream fests? More "fun runs"? Humiliation? Worse?

Congratulations. Well, its too late to edit the poll. Are you going for a degree?

and a related question for the hopper.. have you seen staff "go crazy" on anybody? Is there any correlation between the answer to this question and the last one?