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Yep.. I couldn't have said it better.. You'd think they'd just go get a life, and be satisfied with it.. but nooooo...

Doojable brought this up in another thread. I thought it might apply here.. This is the complete quiz. http://www.factnet.org/cults/Toxic_Faith/index.html Might make a good assessment for those who exit your little "program".. or is it you don't care..

I think most offshoots score at least four out of five here.. I'd like to see the four sowers "graduates" give a report.

And after the "division".. we've spent one lifetime after another trying to acheive some kind of balance or equilibrium.. councils.. rules, standards.. I wonder if god would have even considered this to begin with.. if He knew of the red tape involved..

I have a few thoughts.. Jesus is a larger fragment of Diety, since the "great divide".. say.. something like 17 percent. God himself reserved or is about 71 percent. and then there are an uncountable number of fragments, which constitute "us". are they or even we, "one"? I think they, and we were.. from what I've read, some kabballists seem to think part of God died to give birth to creation..I don't think that's exactly what happened.. I think He chose to diversify himself.. for whatever reason.. maybe being "god" is boring.. the Hindus have some thoughts about Brahma.. he was one at one time.. Why can't a Father and son live in the same person.. my father (earthly by *way* terms) lives in me..

If they send me one I'll frame it.. who's sending them? Headquarters, Limbs, local "twigs"? considering waygb and all, they probably have my address.. I'm not entirely anonymous here.. maybe they want to trim up their mailing list.. is that it? But I didn't think they really mailed anything to the "regular" rank and file.. cost cutting ya know. Have to save money for something more useful, like giving rosie's cats a perm, or something..

Are they actually sending these notices out? Wouldn't suprise me.. "we're still here, and we'll give you another chance to give us money.."

Old Chionese proverb: Egg Foo yung left out overnight is egg foo old.

Nothing like the benefits of group-think..

but he would not have or need one. He was "believing" and all.. "loan you a gas can? Naw.. don't have one to loan. Here, you can buy this one.. just fifty bucks.."

True.. but unlike the "biblical admonition" some of us did not have to "work".. what does a "manogawd" have to do when he isn't otherwise yelling, preaching da word and such.. not much, I guess..

Hey.. we're a movin.. we're a movin.. didn't even ask how high to jump..

Your minions shall join my minions.. My staff is assembled, waiting for briefing.

I accept your kind offer of employment. I will proudly lead my minions *ahem* the great army into battle..

maybe one needs to define exactly what that concept is.. Maybe this concept is to abandon ones critical thinking and reasoning skills, hold onto an arcane doctrine or practice, in spite of ones own senses, education, upbringing and good judgement. just because herr vicmeister or someone else said it, or repeated it until it sounded believable. All the while, ignoring or denigrating logical debate and putting fingers in ones ears and crying "nya nya nya, I can't HEARRRRR YOUUUUU". I think that's what it is.. am I close? or is it more simply a reference to a suject of the early sixties, where one consumed a cup of this stuff, and shortly "went out of their mind"? maybe after a cup of it.. one can see babies in bathwater, everwhere.. except the rainbow colored babies have a beard..

I will add.. "encouraging and thriving on the unthinking adulation that a REALLY REALLY BAD (which very well might be an honest assessment) reputation can bring them.." yeah.. its not "them", and the "attack" can't be from gawd.. they are arrogant enough to think an attack (or even just a plain honest inquiry) on them is an attack on God himself.. no amount of etiquette, or deodorant I know of can cover the reek of this deep seated arrogance..

awwww. now there are only four. Congratulations. Usually I leave my multi-thousandth posts somewhere in just plain silly..

I could be wrong, but the website looks like the aftermath of some kind of civil war..

Yep.. all the while the "elders" are in some smoke filled back room, downing shots of Drambuie and Schnapps, eating pickled pigs feet, and planning to take over the world.. what is "interesting".. I looked over cff's website.. there is a noticable absence of any link or reference to sowers and such.. and the fellow-laborers page has practically no reference to v2p2. Their history of him leaves him running a "twig" in his old home town.. methinks MAYBE somebody "woke up" in the organization?

I have a really, really bad feeling and suspicion.. I'll have to check on it..

Not just that.. but isn't it LAME? Where's the "boldness", in him or in the *wonderful* administrators of the program? Lame, and pathetic.. they won't visit anywhere, it seems, where their arrogance just might be challenged.. anything that is said, is likely only to a controlled audience. I really think, When the old man, mac and the few other "old timers".. whoever they may be are gone, this little venture will turn into a wierwille brothers (and cousins) club.. there will be a whole family of numbnuts who can't be voted off.. if it ever makes it that far. why they want to sow that kind of corruption in their own family is beyond me..

Congratulations Act2. Have you completed any other basick kind of courses like english 111/112? A word of warning.. if you want to go on to a bachellor's program, I'd make sure the credits will transfer..

Awww.. isn't he cute?