Ham

You mention the other conspiracy theories of other sects. I think the main difference, in the case of twi and herr vicster, they simply were spoken, and not published. One can find past issues of spotlight, various sects predictions of the worlds end, etc.. I never remember seeing anything like this in the magazine, or vic's paid newspaper publications. The same goes for outrageous claims in classes.. the original sin, noah's supposed castration, etc. etc.. Perhaps the victoid didn't want to give the world concrete proof that he was a.. fraud?

Some of us were born too late.. :)

Yep.. or something..

Did the mrs. know it was a scam? Considering.. didn't she go to leonard's class as well? Also went to who was it in Florida about tongues with interpretation and prophecy.. the vicster mentions them.. forgot the name. Sure we won't find a footnote anywhere in the books.. I think she was well aware of the plagiarism.. and she did get some elevation in the organization.. maybe they enabled each other.. who knows.. just to me, it would seem if she didn't.. it would be like being married to Capone, and thinking everything was wonderful.. not having a clue of the booze, dope and killing.. perhaps at best maybe she rationalized the bad behavior like some of his "men"..

There were only two "successful" African Americans in twi that I can think of: L*nnel J8hnson and Claudette. I think L8nnel was ordained by vic.. don't know about claudette. That's two out of.. how many.. hundreds? Maybe there were a few others.. as far as liberty lobby and spotlight is concerned.. isn't it intriguing that the guy who said NEWSPAPERS were so darn "negative".. stories about murder, accidents, suicide, death.. were so "bad" for believing- which is a straw man to begin with- adopted different kind of "negatives"- stories of government takeover, murder, and intrigue? maybe vic should have put his newspapers and periodicals down for a while, and read the bible..

I wonder how many takover theories the sowers were subjected to..

Hmm Good point.. preaching to the trees, and letting farm animals to to hell in a hand basket, so to speak..

No problem Geo.. everybody gets an A anyway..

In the meantime, his friend George continues at a leisurely pace of 12.5 miles per hour, and arrives in Atlanta 35.2 hours later.

Good guesses all. five miles outside of Atlanta, Simon was clocked at 192 mph by the Georgia State Police. The Mazzaratti is impounded, and Simon goes to jail. Simon barely makes bail, and pays the $1500 fine. however with the impounded Mazzaratti and drivers license revoked for one year, at which time Simon may apply for a new one, subject to close supervision and safety classes, Simon cannot get out of town. Simon sells the Mazzaratti after finally paying the towing and impound fees, and purchases a four cylinder import, and sets out once again to see his friend in Cincinatti. Time expired? About two years..

The explanation really is simple. I'll wait a few minutes..

No more attempts at an explanation?

no no no. That isn't it either.. I'll give a hint.. George makes it to Atlanta..

No, that's not it.

Atlanta Georgia, and Cincinnati Ohio are 440 miles apart. George leaves Cincinnati in his Ford Model T towards Atlanta at an average of 12.5 miles per hour. Simon Leaves Atlanta in his Mazzaratti towards Cincinnati at an average of 159.5 miles per hour. Question: how long does it take before the two meet? Answer: About two years.

I think it wasn't because we didn't do anything.. I think it was because we really didn't know WHAT to do.. I sat in that little meeting.. I was shocked and stunned. Most of the people in the audience were beaten down to where they couldn't speak up.

for that matter.. I wonder how linder feels about that..

heh.. I wonder how linder's wife feels about that..

What is the purpose of having linder, his clone and the white vans? Really.. what is left on grounds that is even worth protecting? Normally, remote farmland in Ohio does not warrant this level of care. what's left.. the fountain? Are they afraid of aged hippie types making odd, unusual pilgrimages to the "holy" woods? maybe they are afraid of someone parking a non-authorized wowmobile in one of the parking lots, and leaking half a quart of oil or transmission fluid. perhaps they have tons of hoarded gold bullion on grounds.. maybe stockpiles of firearms, ammunition, long term food store..to protect. That would at least make sense. But I tend to think more that having some kind of security force present helps foster their illusion that they are anything but a second or third rate, insignificant pathetic little club.. Two local country clubs here.. who have more acreage, which is far more valuable than acreage in rural ohio, have no security force that I have ever seen. I've walked right across the golf course.. no white vans, no goons trying to run me off.. no calls to the sheriff or police.. I suppose one could ask linder. What possible reason do they want to secure something that resembles a gold plated turd, more than a treasure? he'd probably answer.. "it's a living.."

I saw someone reeaed mercilessly for having to stand up, go to the bathroom.. even before the meeting even started.. apparently he blocked the view of the magnanimous leader from the masses.. it was viewed as a "spiritual" attack. No kidding..

yep.. and I would go further.. he would have had the "hippies" in airports and bus stations selling flowers.. except for the embarassment that would ensue. Likely they would have done it.. Instead.. he brought them to hq, and had them try out a business suit and briefcase..

I really think.. of two individuals, to be on some kind of board, assigned arbitrary power over other people's lives.. in this situation, one could not name a worse choice. I would go as far to say that it is frightening. there are way too many unresolved issues.. unanswered questions.

The bad thing about all of this.. da way made both of them. They could have EASILY defused the situation. Just let mac wander in the woods once a year or something.. let him do whatever he wanted.. he wouldn't give them a REASON to run him off grounds.. and practically nobody would have known. He would come, do his thing.. quietly leave and that would be the end of it.. no "compromise" with da "adversary" I guess..

I dunno about all of this.. while I tread lightly regarding individuals here who have loved ones interred on way grounds.. I really really think.. mac was an opportunist.. I think he wanted back in the organization, at whatever capacity possible. Including trespass "rights". Does this make sense? Or am I seeing something really off base here? Maybe he was trying to stage a coup of sorts. Look at one of the other players involved, about the same time period.. jp. He brought accusations of neglect, indifference and harshness of the then way in regards to.. his ma. While I have compassion in regards to Mrs. Wierwille.. Would he possibly use the heart-tugging situation to his advantage? Its just a thought. Is there any coincidence here that these two players somehow seem to converge on a Mississippi farm? And the new tactic- from what I perceive.. if you can't join them, (try to) beat them. They have a new wierwille to develop, who has a strikingly familiar name (assigned to him by pa) for the twenty-first century.. they resurrect the old program, and merely copy the goals, the objectives, the methods.. Honestly, in my opinion, people have been "played" here..