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funny how they "miss" us. maybe if you donate your truck, they'l "let" you come back to "twig".. Amazing.. and they still think the same way.. tossing out little lines to offer a person the "priviledge" to come back.. but they won't offer directly. No.. just hinting, hem hawing around.. "oh, we miss you.. " give a person a way to "redeem" themselves.. hoping you'll beg to go back to servitude.. "here mistah.. come back, come back.. use my truck.. here, I've got forty gallons of gas to toss in besides.. "

I guess.. well, they say millet, potatos and a couple hot dogs can go a long way.. still.. free board? seems it's dependant on "work to be done.." and.. that outfit is likely being run by a group, who at best can cough up one individual who has a bachellor's, and not in something relevant to the task at hand to begin with.. rest of them have victoid clone credentials..

Just another thought.. when was the last time you saw STUDENTS mowing the lawn, doing security, repairing buildings.. fixing trees.. hauling off *devilish* monuments.. re-grouting buildings.. washing windows.. without being PAID to do so? The last time I remember.. it was the indiana campus. Generally, a "work-study" program actually pays someone for their labor. Or at headquarters.. I know they had some staff perform some duties.. but what about all the little "special projects"? Mucking the pond.. etc. etc.. all done in the guise that- they are TEACHING the corps HOW to WORK? Well.. the thought of all this seems so surreal, at least now.. Or.. cleaning leader's houses.. mowing their lawn, shampooing carpets.. babysitting evil, arrogant, egotistical, better than thou little minature mogs.. or limb clean up days.. cutting, hauling, raking, painting, etc.. the list goes on and on. I suppose, convince one it's God's will is all that's really necessary. all by a guy who's degree would be more appropriate "gracing" the wall of an outhouse.. when an offshoot I know of started taking off.. someone who was close to me said something like.."they NEED someone LIKE YOU to get this thing running.." no kidding. Who knows.. maybe I would have gotten a worthless honorary doctorate and certificate of ordination, or something..

that's the route I chose, and I'd recommend it to anyone, providing there ARE any community colleges left after the current economic "crisis".. The math and science curriculum was as good if not better than the 100 and 200 level curriculum offered at the university I'm currently at. And the cost per credit was HALF. I can transfer the credits anywhere in the state. Folded in with a Bachellor's at the current university, they'll go anywhere. Actually, I never got one. I was too poor from constantly abundant sharing, and working at a second rate job so as to be at twi's beck and call. I believe the little statue was a minature of the full sized "da teacher" bronze. I could be wrong, but I think the labor in that little effort was generally unpaid as well..

yep. We were supposed to be part of an organization that was doing something for God.. I think we really expected "God's Word" as we thought it was to prevail in culture.. signs, wonders.. to follow.. multitudes to turn to der vey's take on theology.. and actually have "way believers" hold public office in mass, not just an isolated few like Gahagan.. and "gawd's will" to be done.. maybe it was a madman's gamble. Of course, had it panned out, those little pieces of paper would be worth something.

wouldn't be the first time. I suppose I should rephrase it.. "it was restored largely by UNPAID labor and DONATED resources". I donated, others labored. same for the Rome City campus, old dilapadated buildings.. regrouting, landscaping, tree service, etc. etc.. I suppose every organization can benefit from a "front man".. it's just.. next time around, I'll check the breath for the unmistakable stench of drambuie..

That was with slave labor to boot, was it not? Why is it, the closer one looks at the huckster, the more almost EVERYTHING he *accomplished* was merely stolen? He stole his classes and materials.. he one sidedly used resources to make his own SELF look good.. he even stole his "doctorate". It's almost like an identity theft.. he ingratiated himself with the title, but he did not pay for it the "traditional" way, time, money, and HARD WORK. And the real shame of it all.. those who bought into his *program* got a certificate, just as "legitimate" in the real world as vic's. Seeing him up on stage, in full "academic" dress.. handing out their "great reward".. is now a rather sickening thought..

Something like that. :) Interesting the huckster managed to get his name on an auditorium *I* (and a few others) paid for with our own above 15 percent or so "giving".. I'd like to see it turned into a mall..

Besides accountability, I think it would go a long way if some of the "leaders" developed an honest, real, genuine human sense of humor.. maybe they could take a few insults, without thinking God's gonna kick some rear.. I think they take themselves far, far too seriously. Maybe I'm asking for a little too much..

With the money and resources twi had in the mid seventies, I think they COULD have moved into the category of legitimate mainstream education.. they completely renovated the Carnagie library at emporia. Why stop there? They could have started with getting accredidation as a two year establishment.. and later accredidation as a four year university.. it would have taken some time, work, and MONEY. I think the vicster looked at the price tag, and figured for "gawd's people" it just wasn't worth it.. that there were "better uses" for the money..

I got one too, just because they were handing them out. At least they are honest- claim "this certificate doesn't give you squat.." just the MINIMUM paperwork to perform a legal marriage ceremony according to the laws of whatever state one finds oneself. and it's.. FREE! I really got it so I could boldly say to twi clergy, "I am not inferior to you.. you've got a useless piece of paper, well, I've got one too.."

And who was the big spiritualist vic went to the heels of for "truth"? Wasn't it Arthur Ford? I wonder if he "laid out" the vicster's "ministry" like he supposedly did for Moon..

and I would also say he was a quack who pretended to be a doctor.. One of my professors takes trips out of the country to some of the most unsafe places in the world.. says he doesn't need kevlar anymore. Reason? He figured it out.. you walk around and act like you own the place, even if you don't- and "they" will simply LEAVE YOU ALONE. Won't even question you.. I think that's what the vicster did.. a little known con artist with a doctorate worth a few sheets of toilet paper.. and he acted like king of the world..

I have never heard anyone outside of der vey who had a legitimate doctorate even refer to themselves as "doctor". Perhaps some have.. but the vicster puts those words in the dialog in the mouths of those he supposedly respected.. like Karl Barth. "well, *Dr* wierwille, if what you see is true.." I'll bet he called him "vic".. in real life. These con artists seem to enjoy stroking themselves with that title..

It may have all been as easy as plagiarizing off a log backwards..

I don't know about "thought". "claimed" perhaps.. maybe it comes down to whether the vicmeister actually drank his own kool-aide. I think perhaps just enough, that when he spoke, he made it sound believable..

I wonder how low the dow will sink before someone declares martial law..

board acting "weird" today.. see post below..

Call it whatever you want, I call it "dialogue". But maybe the "other guy" just happens to have a lot more to say.. stifle people's genuine emotions and valid reactions with a few religious quotes and references to "those who can heal" is the surest way to close it..

I wouldn't call it raging anger. Some of us have learned how to "channel" it in constructive ways. I really think it's a fallacy that people can be so deeply wounded and miraculously "healed" by the wave of a religious quote like, what would Jesus do.. or even analysis.. they might help one understand the experience, and how to cope.. like it or not, we are all "flawed". I think if people are bound to the extent they can't get angry, or express rage, at least in an appropriate manner, it's not good.. Isn't.. displaying dissapointment, anger, "concern", and even masked rage about people supposedly expressing anger and rage.. the same thing? I really don't think you understand what you think you understand here.. WWJD? What I think.. he'd sit down, be QUIET.. (I'm being polite here), LISTEN for a LONG TIME, and bear a few burdens.. I'd say most of us here, have been abused by pharisees for YEARS- some even decades.

I'd better go for now, and get the presses lubed and warmed up..

*steps up to microphone* "Hurry, hurry hurry. Improve your education, job qualifications and general intellect. For a limited time, these fine certificates are personally signed by the Great Squirrel. Be among the first.. imagine the PRESTIGE and swelling self-importance, as you proudly show your *achievement* to friends, family, and employer.. hurry, hurry, hurry.."

Hey, it's a bargain. Fifty bucks.. and it's probably worth more than an advanced class or corps grad diploma..

Hey, I could sell a few of these things. I might even consider licensing Paw for the right percentage toward the running of Greasespot..