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Maybe this "tithing", "abundant sharing" and "absent Christ" concepts actually do relate to one another. Example. Take a Godless, Christless organization, (he's *absent*, is he not?)- it would seem that would leave a rather large "hole". We can't just have a big hole out there.. someone might trip, and we'd get sued. What to fill it with? Hmm.. how about.. MONEY?

Then I can't understand how someone could even think that someone who squandered the meager 12 to 15 percent they were entrusted with on airplanes, motorcoaches and date rape drugs to be a "representative" of god either. Don't take it as a personal attack. I'm really trying to understand this.. If I change majors, and get into psychology, maybe I'll use it for a thesis..

Then I don't see how people can't understand logic. 1. God REQUIRES a tithe from you, as a bare MINIMUM, to be given to "those who are his REPRESENTATIVES", as a BARE MINIMUM. 2. *WE* are his REPRESENTATIVES. 3.. So some infer, "naw, they NEVER SAID to give them da money.."

I don't think it's any better than a foreign lotto scheme.. you know.. cash a check that bounces which one MUST repay, and send the proceeds to somebody outside of US jurisdiction, so they can "release" the rest of the funds to you.. No "lotto" money? must've not played "accurately".. what's even more amazing.. people get bit, just ONCE by the lotto scheme, generally, they'd never fall for it again. but add *god* to the equation.. a lot of them line up by droves for a few more "blessings"..

amazing.. the whole premise of pfal, and tithing, etc.. wasn't it to tap into the RESOURCES? Yeah.. the "resources" for the "more abundant life".. five things to know receive ANYTHING from God.. it's almost like.. they turned God into a clerk, who would rubber stamp your request, if you got all the details right on the form.. or a fiendish welfare officer, who wouldn't release needed funds unless one greased his palm with ten percent or more of meager earnings.. "don't even bother to pray, unless you tithe.." so here I sit.. less than 150.00 in the bank.. going to school in the hopefully second half of my life.. trying to scrape out a living.. what happened to all of those years of giving fifteen percent? I should be super-rich. Where's the payoff? Oh. I forgot. I musta not "practiced *all* of the "principles" *accurately*.. maybe I need a few more hoops to jump through.. What a con game.. it's almost as honest as trying to sell the Brooklyn Bridge.. "buying blessings.." I would rename that.. "commercializing spirituality". then over the years, it slowly morphed into, not buying blessings, but paying for disaster insurance. "well, you may be dirt poor, etc. but don't complain. it could be far worse.. imagine what may have happened if you didn't tithe.." Personally, I wouldn't want a god who could be BOUGHT. I mean, that would make him inferior to me, wouldn't it?

*Puts on tweety costume* "Twig?? Oh doody doody.." Actually, I think the corporation papers of da way list an Arizona address instead of an Ohio one. It's somewhere on GS.. can't find it at the time.

I saw that after I posted. Seems we were both posting the same thing at the same time..

The one seventh of one's time could be skillfully divided between cleaning "leaders" houses, babysitting their kids, setting up and running classes.. shill witnessing at malls and parks, and "door to door". That amounts to three eight hour work days without lunch time or any kind of break. I thought the "tithe" of time in the old testament was supposed to be a day of rest.

Maybe a lot of it wasn't "faked" more than it was "manufactured". Myself- I was looking for a connection like a real family. I lost both parents before I graduated from high school. The rest of my family was basically divided and scattered to the wind. I really think the promise of being "family" is too much to offer, and too much to expect.

Interesting.. what's in the "new" class looks practically identical to doctrine I saw in the 1970's. The only small difference, is that the "principles" must be "successfully" and "accurately" operated for it to work. In other words, if you lose your house, if your health fails.. apparently you didn't operate the principles "successfully", or "accurately". Might be part of a legal disclaimer. I wonder if they really read that verse.. it says that Abraham was blessed FIRST, THEN he gave. In other words, he didn't "practice the principle accurately and successfully", and EARN the blessing.. Seems their message is, "tithing, it was good enough for Abraham, it should be good enough for us.."

It wasn't my body, it was my mind. And it felt like my individuality was being burned off.. but it wasn't exactly unpleasant. If I could find a drug to duplicate it, I'd make a fortune on it.. only happened once.. long after I'd abandoned speaking in tongues, renewing of the mind and such.. Accompanied with this: there was the logical part of me that just looked on, and was trying to figure out which neurotransmitters were involved. I still functioned quite well.. went to work, still went to classes.. the only difference anyone may have noticed was a smile on my face. Is this what you are talking about?

The same "brain" even infiltrates a hobby as beneign as amateur radio. There's one group under a now well aging "charismatic" leader.. it seems to be in decline.. he named his organization, to very closely match the name of the big radio association in america.. many members in his organization think he's some kind of "savior" of radio.. gonna "pull the hobby out of the fire" so to speak.. his adherants would "witness" to other hams at different conventions.. the guy flouts fcc rules and regulations.. and he gets "slapped". Of course, his followers think he's just getting persecuted.. arbitrarily picked on.. when in reality, one has to be REALLY REALLY bad to get that kind of attention from the fcc.. seeing this "brain" in a different context is probably one of the things that helped me relax the mind-numbing grip of twi from my own self..

I think "waybrain" is the same thing that inflicts the zealots who follow hubbard, crowley, armstrong, TM, Jim Jones, koresh, Simon the Sorcerer, the deluded people who followed the egyptian(?) prophet, referenced in the book of acts, to their destruction.. the followers of Hitler, etc., etc.. I think vic just happened to be another small footnote in this hall of shame.. it's obvioulsy not about any specific belief.

I don't think it's always malicious. Peole tend to be analytical.. myself, I try to figure out what makes some people tick.. example. Take a plagiarizing, thieving, abusive, con artist over a little known odd religious organization who also is an alcoholic sex fiend, who is smart enough to surround himself with enough hardened yes men to cover his tracks.. oh, most of this applies to a wider circle than twi. Look at l ron hubbard.. Crowley, and quite a few others. and a doctrine he promotes for the most part, that DOES NOT WORK. It's a "feel good", mog-serving doctrine, and gives one the sense of "superiority". the "dead bodies" of the victims slowly are unearthed.. the plagiarism and theft is DOCUMENTED.. and in the face of evidence and eyewitness testimony, some just don't (or can't) get it. They would argue incessantly about the merits of the "new birth", and how the lowlife scumbag was somehow "graced" with the lord's presence.. comparisons are brought forward, to David, to Solomon, to Paul.. that somehow, his existence was justified because of da mighty word o da lord he researched (stole).. some would ascribe to him the wisdom of Solomon.. the love of David, the spiritual understanding of Paul.. I kind of see the need for some people to generate a label to put on this..

Way Brain- 1. The ability to seriously consider that a plagiaristic, alcoholic, serial abuser and rapist could possibly conceive truth such that it hasn't been known since the first century, despite eyewitness testimony as to the abuses, and a side by side examination of the plagiarists and original authors works. 2. A driving passion to defend and exonerate a plagiaristic, alcoholic, serial abuser and rapist, for God only knows what reason, by drawing comparisons to David, Solomon, and Paul. I don't think it's the whole brain.. it's like, something is missing. at least the dialog is predictable..

Chairman of the board? She probably imagines she's Franky Boy fronting the "prevailing" mob..

Hmm. It's like our Fearless Leader here told me on at least two ocassions. "You're NUTS." Of course, it's a badge of honor I'll be proud to wear for years to come.. It's almost like.. "Finally! Somebody understands me.." :biglaugh:

Maybe they did some research. I think Da way is incorporated in the state of Arizona.

"Ladies and Gentlemen, *Elvis* has left the building.."

They should have a new President's theme song. Something more "fitting.." She'll be coming around the cornfield when she comes... She'll be coming around the cornfield when she comes.. She'll be coming around the cornfield, she'll be coming around the cornfield- She'll be coming around the cornfield when she comes. She'll be wearing curlers and pink pajamas when she comes.. (eeeewww..) She'll be wearing curlers and pink pajamas when she comes... (eeeewww..)

That's a possibility. I think she's beyond any possibility of self-loathing.. I wonder if she has ever had an ounce of remorse from acting as rosie the enabler.. probably not. In reality, I think she compares more with Jezebel. Probably relished every moment, "extracting" loy's manhood..

I think da "ministry" has proved successful in programming their audience, not "reading" it. I cringe thinking I would at one time heartily applaud this kind of production..

Yeah.. I think they've figured out how to put the cat in caterwaulling.. You'd just think, with $158,000, they oughta be able to do at least a little better.. I wonder if rosie is actually SUPRISED by the commentary. I mean.. these are from people who likely never even heard of da way, or "have an ax to grind".

Looks like a good case of "fair use" to me. A little clip, and some commentary.. Wasn't there an article on the main site about how der vey entered the twenty-first century with their new fangled super digital sound system? http://www.greasespotcafe.com/main2/news/l...st-century.html just proves, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, even with a $158,000 dollar digital mixer and recording console..

Hey DWBH.. is the Greasespot blues festival gonna be anything like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xhYk9PEmXA...feature=related sign me on.. heheh