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Only after spray painted gold, and the appropriate sparkles added.

Yep.. "revelation"... ha. "all nine all the time"? I wonder how many times they've prayed for the demise of the "critics" who stand in the way of "gawd's will" being done.. The "deliver unto Satan" deal.. that was part of the inheritance junior got from vic's teaching, ya know.. I know the m.o.. do they REALLY think they've got God Almighty on a magic wand, to do with Him as they please?

Some of the offshoots are a little more subtle than using the mark and avoid threat though. "whadya wanna waste your time in a *vomitorium* like that? We oughter just be a moving da word.." the implication being that if one frequents these sites are practically godless, out of "fellowship" and bitter.. They aren't giving me many other options here, considering the secrecy, the hiding from light of day.. they won't even say who's supporting the deal.

What I'd like to see is "their" take on this little tidbit from way history.. They seem to be attempting to ressurect the same system, with the same potential of abuse. Same "take our sheet or we'll send you home for *any* reason" posturing.. what's to keep the same thing from happening, all over again? Assurances? "oh, we've got a board watching over it.." twi had a board as well.. and this kind of power they exercised over a few thousand, corrupted them to the core. I think one would have to exonerate the vicster in one's own mind to really believe that his system of abuse and corruption to be worth resurrecting. Is this new group really holding on to the illusion that the history of corruption was mainly loy's fault, or that vic, an otherwise "honorable" man was just "distracted" by the "temptations" of the world? C'mon mr "history major".. let's hear a few answers..

I remember one we used for a bird nest for some canaries..

Traffic- John Barleycorn must die

I wouldn't trust them as far as changing my cats litter box.. Oh yes, the la**ies, li*hts.. maybe that WAS the spin they put on it.. "we got's rids of the bad people's.." anybody know, or hear the spin twi put on it?

I wonder how our artificially manufactured and artificially flavored "move of gawd" is going today..

but if you didn't write a schedule to write a schedule and present it to leadership for approval, and one subsequently could not write a schedule to write a schedule without writing a schedule, wouldn't the mere writing of the schedule allow one to be devoured outside of the hedge of protection, where debils run free, therefore the mere writing of a schedule might be unbiblical in and of itself? I missed the write a schedule practice. But if I told this to the last limb coordinator I knew here, after chasing his tail for about three days, he'd probably have to get the "research" department involved..

Or shooting Cupid..

What about moneyhands? I thought he was running amok, terrorizing the British for a while..

I wonder if any of the enrollees have been publically humiliated and crushed.. and then sent home "at the sole discretion of those charged with oversight" as an example to the rest yet..

I didn't see the deleted posts. Must've been pretty bad to get a moderator to close a thread down in food fight zone..

Happy birthday! I won't say how old you are.. :)

"any participant can be dismissed at any time at the sole discretion of those charged with oversight. Unfortunately, we don't carry any life boats"

I dunno.. it could be that the place doesn't even exist.. sure, they have a few photos.. for all I know, an "inductee" might wake up and find themselves with a horrible headache, and strapped to an oar in one of these..

I tried a bunch of free searches.. sowers, sowers inc, mac's name.. v2p2's name.. pappy.. along with smith county ms.. I even searched for "cults smith county mississippi" nothing. mac can't be found for dust.. Some "church camp".. "send us your kids.." "where are they going?" "Why do you want to know? You've got trust *issues*. Don't worry. They are going.. somewhere.. besides, it's none of your business.." It does have a rather sinister appearance. Just an AOL email address. And a donate tab.. You've gotta be kidding.. Yeah, I think they are afraid. Afraid of WHAT, hmm? If I have this hard of a time getting a few names and addresses, perhaps twi's lawyers are finding it equally difficult. v2p2 has basically plagiarized twi's corps "principles".. I don't see any reference or work cited.. being a lawyer, trying to deliver a cease and desist letter, and finding oneself up to the hip mucking about in the mississippi mud and on the wrong end of a shotgun might not be a very pleasant prospect. Then again.. maybe twi just doesn't care anymore.. or maybe they've weighed the cost to their reputation in "persecuting" one of vic's offspring. then again.. if something goes REALLY wrong.. they've got another black eye.. the "staff" there is a product of twi..

I suppose so. But that presumes that one knows the name of the corporation, or location of the property to begin with. Apparently I'm not "spiritual" enough to handle that kind of information..

I really wish SOMEBODY would step up and accept responsibility for this thing..

Wouldn't suprise me, at all.

I was trying to cook up a recipe for possessed chicken flambe, but I'll spare you.. "don't add garlic if you want the chicken to stay in the pan.." Sowie, carry on..

Compare: another offshoot's website: http://www.cffm.org/doc/contact.shtml It's not exactly my "cup of tea" anymore.. but I offer a few observations. They aren't afraid to be found. In fact, I would say that they WANT to be found.. even an honest to God landline telephone number.. practically a complete listing of staff, along with email that I am pretty SURE they'd answer.. even DIRECTIONS on how to get to their little corner of the world.. they even advertise their "curriculum", events.. I could say other things, but at least they seem to be open and honest.. but the sowers thingy.. They have a "web page". I shouldn't have to email somebody to ASK who's running it.. what the qualifications are.. what the curriculum is.. what organization they support, or supports them, if they actually have a parent organization to begin with.. I thought it was a joke the first time I saw it.. it looked like a spoof site.. "fellow residents on the grounds"??? firewood to be chopped??? abandoned farm equipment? gotta be kidding.. I hope they send the brochure sometime soon. I've got all summer to figure this thing out with my own devices if need be..

Where's pfal? I think it's holed up on a farm in Smith County, Mississippi..

what's even more intriguing.. the only face I recognize on any of the photos is one with the kid "preaching' in front of *his* people.. you'd think they'd have a staff shot.. names of who's there in charge.. specifics about the curriculum.. an ethics page that the "students' and THOSE IN CHARGE would LIKEWISE have to abide by.. what's the point of having such a useless website? my first impression was that the"message" was "here am I, chop my wood.."