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I heard the story. It *seemed* to bolster the vicster's claims about the debil spurt kingdom, at least as he understood it. So, in a cultish kinda sense, yes, I believed it at the time. But what I NEVER heard.. was the RECORDED audio tape of a certain "lightbearer"'s interview with .. Swatratra. In fact, I never heard of this until Greasespot. Mabye even the old vicster himself knew it was just too ridiculous for the "ordinary" believer to swallow.. I know of some people who claim they woke up from a dead sleep with a devil trying to squeeze the life out of them or something like that. The only thing I can think is.. reality is harder for some to accept.. I've had some "weird" things happen in life too.. but the interpretation of the said events is really only up to me..

"Listening with a purpose".. what was the deal with that? Who's purpose? "what is the greatest secret in the world today.." "well, duh.. maybe it's.. the seats here are too hard.." I think it was more of a little test. "are you COMPLYING with what's being presented?"

I think that's what I paid for. Reall.y. Marched through thirty six hours of mind numbing "personal"(?) indoctrination on open reel AUDIO ONLY format Be on your metal seat on time, don't ask questions. The automated process will be suspended at the end of the mystical 36 hours to answer your little troublesome question.. Later came the video.. big deal.. just saved some poor guy from the minute timing of flipping the charts.. no, the "teaching" was never live. So I went through the twi drive through service for spiritual success.. now they want a "tip"? ten, fifteen percent of the price of the product? No, of my income.. I'd like to see McDonald's try it. Ronald won't even spit in your direction unless you leave fifteen percent of your income at the little booth..

I think the "hold the ketchup, hold the questions" strategy merely allowed one to wade through thrity six hours of mind numbing minutae which left one so numb that the poor person couldn't remember that they had questions, no less remembering what they really were..

I wonder if "they" ever realized.. having maybe a mountain of clothes.. a bottle collection that spans five decades of ardent searching.. fifteen bags of old clothes someone is planning on using to make a quilt or something SOMEDAY.. a rather fully stocked food pantry.. a half a basement of old electronic gear that doesn't mean something to anybody else.. just might make someone HAPPY? I might make an exception, and at least as far as saying something.. when it's like two hundred cats, all produced by one version of inbreeding or another.. and seventy or more on the way.. I don't think the person needs to burn the chaff.. maybe they need some real HELP. I think this "burn the chaff" concept.. travel light, travel far.. only really applies to the few who actually travel. But somehow they wanted even the regular Joe Believer to be ready to move at a moment's notice if gawd "opened the door"..

You know, the meat cleaver is an elegant weapon.. it has a "civilized" edge, unlike the ordinary light saber or blaster..

Perhaps, but not as openly as before. I really really doubt that they have anyone on staff as bad as loy.. or who has the unfettered freedom to act as he did. I'll bet they put a FEW safeguards into effect. Don't want yet ANOTHER real big lawsuit.. and we do have a lot of what is in public record about the evidence. It wasn't an entire loss.. it got big forehead out of office too, didn't it?

I really think if things were "handled correctly" in da dumb ministry, there wouldn't be any NEED for lawsuits. Instead, they seemingly tried to bury the "corpses" while they were still ALIVE.. they defamed the victims, labelled them possessed and dangerous. Look what they did to Pa*l and F*rn. You dare to confront, you get the "mark". Even those who died while in the "hallow" walls of zion couldn't rest in peace without some kind of public inquisition, how "unbelief" or "sin" or some such nonsense supposedly killed them. vic taught them well. How to hide the victims, how to intimidate into silence, how to ignore legalities and how to make a "proper" cover story to feed the FLOCK. Don't want them running off or anything.. I think a damn big lawsuit was way overdue. That settlement must still sting. Not as "prevailing" as they would like to think they are.

I don't know.. the right kinda blood test might rule out midachlorians. Probably just a pack of Salmonella germs.. Oh, I found a Sith chicken for you. Doesn't have a light saber. Packs a pretty mean meat cleaver though. Observe the Sith fire in the eyes..

There is currently an ad on the bottom of the page for Mylanta, for gas pain..

Does anyone else remember this.. or was it just my imagination??

It's just.. a possessed chicken, "taken out" with the discharge of the farmer's shotgun.. if anything is gonna really "p*ss off" the chicken, that would have to be it.. I posted this on another thread.. don't know if I got an answer.. but didn't loy say something like this in one of the classes- "animals can get possessed too.. just take em out.. put them on the dinner plate.."? "hey neighbor.. I hadda take out one of the flock today.. want to come over for chicken dinner?" "oh.. you mean the bird that was going berserk in seven different directions only to perish in a cloud of shotgun smoke, feathers and blood?" "that's the one.. won't affect the taste or anything though.."

Interesting observation. Well.. both vic and loy claimed that "things" could be possessed.. not that I'm citing them as any kind of real authority in the matter or anything like that.. Some people's beliefs regarding food go to what others might consider extreme. Some feel that acts of violence or cruelty toward animals puts some kind of bad karma or something in it, that any pain experienced by the animal during it's demise makes it somehow unclean. Maybe it's true.. who knows..

The only thing I wish.. is that some of the *others* who know me would read some of this stuff.. they might not agree entirely.. but at least they might understand.. I'm sure somebody's keeping record here.. :)

Maybe that's the key to hearing the voice of the guy from the past. To know of some pretty vile crap that's coming.. yet not to do anything to intervene.. even if you know what's coming.. you are forbidden to become involved.. sheesh. I wish people wouldn't start threads like this..

I dunno.. I think that "we" are connected.. past and future.. there have been a few times.. I really think when it's REALLY mattered.. I've listened to the voice of the guy from the future :) It just takes something pretty.. what's the word.. serious.. for some clueless moron walking through life, to pay some real attention to..

:) I dunno.. If I didn't take some damn fool bible class in 1974.. If I didn't put up with a bunch of hooey.. If I didn't go wow in 77.. if I didn't end up with these two kids.. perhaps things would be different. It's just.. they are SO wonderful.. was it all worth it? would I consciously undo it all? No.. never. even if I knew what kinda crap was really going on the inner circle.. perhaps I'd scare the hell out of them.. with stuff that nobody else living knew.. but as far as my PERSONAL destiny is concerned.. I wouldn't touch it.. sound strange?

what would I write to myself.. well.. 1. Finish college you dumbass.. 2. You'd better show up in Michigan in 1977. Meet so and so and have the two wonderful kids you ended up with.. somehow. It's too hard. I'd have to somehow do all of the good things I ended up doing.. while avoiding the ...... I dunno. If it was just me.. I could think of dozens of better sceneraios.. but add people to the equation.. and it all doesn't really seem to make a lot of difference..

remember the rules though. Shoot first, THEN ask the poor guy if he's really a zombie..

just brining this to the top for the new folks around here. You'll want to know who and what you're dealing with ya know..

I still think that a group which would bury a work which called adultery sin under a blanket of drama and intrigue.. not a "research" organization. academically, one might call the paper juvenile, but it was at least honest.. it speaks to me, of the juvenile mindset the organization itself had with regard to honest research. If the work is original, yet faults the proclivities of the upper ups, we bury it.. If the work is good enough, and flashy enough to draw in more crowds, we steal it.. and they actually appointed loy boy as head of research.. I really think they were at the end of their rope.. he'd already chased off anybody with half a brain.

over half the time I was involved with der vey, I didn't even HAVE a car.. ah.. I remember being sent to pray for some poor old guy in a hospital.. and he died anyway.. branch leader was otherwise occupied. I think perhaps he didn't want "failure" on his hands as well.. I knew who I was almost a decade before I took the class. I've since returned to a lot of my roots. Of course, "da most holy of der vey" would describe that as a dog returning to his vomit.. I've spent the most part of a decade reclaiming what I lost or had merely given away.

are you sure that's not Alice? ate a coupla mushrooms.. followed a cult leader that resembled a wabbit down a hole..

I think cruse would have been as badly behaved if he were in twi.. generally speaking I think these "celebrity" types can pretty much do WHATEVER they want in one of these kinda organizations.. maybe they own him like he owns them. I wonder how many of his "mistakes" in life they know where are buried..

I can't see the justification for the price of a plane ticket from Scotland to the U.S. to come hear pfal or some other equally ridiculous "verd as it hath not been known since the first century" warmed over nonsense.. maybe that's not it at all. Maybe they come to "enjoy" his *wonderful* personality..