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Innies: I wouldn't ask too many questions, If I was you.. But who knows. Might put you on the fast-track out of that place.

And at least one little thing that gave it that kind of power. MOST of us "burned our bridges". No way back.. at least in our minds. For a lot of people, there REALLY was no way back. No job, no house, no support.. Personally, I "burned my bridges", and BARELY lived to tell about it. Some of the stuff, I'm not ready to talk about, yet.

Gads.. this was in the "good old days". You can't tell me vic wasn't on top of this stuff.. it was "his" baby..the corps, that is. 1978. And it just got worse, and worse..

At LEAST one more luxury. A place to go. A place to sleep, comfortably. A place to just sit down and cry. A family to give you full support. These folks, and others, had zero of the above.

NO Under NO circumstances. Not from around here, or my old state, for that matter.. What "others"? The treatment these poor folks got was standard operating procedure. The only reason I heard about it was they were from an area a hundred or so miles away, and der vey did not detect any kind of possible connection between me and them. Others simply dissappeared into the night, God only knows where.. Oh yes. One of the bigwigs kids was pregnant, I think. Mysteriously seemed to pass through the training with flying colors.. Interesting choice of words. I think der vey's actions gave us a rotten can of worms labelled beans. Now we find ourselves YEARS later finally dealing with this. Can of worms, yes. But for der vey. True. Not many material possessions. But look at what they really lost- and I would rate it as being more devastating than losing all of your possessions in a house fire: 1. "Friends" back in the good old home town. They think you are "possessed". 2. Your good name. Yes, you're "possessed". You're lower than the low. The unsalted, the uncommitted.. 3. Any kind of expectation for some kind of support from said individuals. They've turned your back on you. 4. Their sanity- at least for some time. Can't convince me people take this stuff in stride like a leisure stroll in the park. Oh yes, you could count material losses- they did abandon all that to go in the damned program to begin with. Ever stop to think that YOU were about the only exception? When they put your "sorry" rear end out to the curb, you had some place to go. And from what I read about YOUR experience, it was STILL devastating. You would have done ANYTHING to stay there, practically speaking. You had at least one luxury that MOST others did not.

And sometimes I think I have reason to bitch and moan.. (((rascal)))

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Soooo.. what happened to this in depth spiritual perception and awareness? Sure didn't help "protect" ME from these "bad influences".. Apparently these "bad people" slipped under the radar..

They were pressured on two fronts: 1. Their committment to the corps was a committment to the almighty god, irrevokable at that.. and the bastards would not even think of letting go of that, and giving them a little slack. And the couple thought that the corps was what god wanted them to do with their lives. 2. They were pressured (understatement) to abort the baby. But she did not have the heart, or conscience for that matter, to abort the baby.. They ASKED for a leave of absence. Denied. No "exeptions" in der vey, you know.. They were labelled "idolatrous" for allowing a "little piece of tissue" coming between them and committment to the corps. They lost EVERYTHING. No friends, only the wife had some family that I can remember, whom she had previously alienated because of der vey. This part of the memory is a little foggy.. but I think they came to their rescue, to some degree. The only reason I even caught wind of this stuff, was der vey did not cover their tracks, sufficiently. They were from an area about 100 miles south of me. Apparently, a warning was issued to the fellowships there, but not here. They had no clue that we would be connected in any possible way.

Yep. And this all happened under: vic's reign. Good old days? Ptooie..

These good folks that I remember cowered too, at first. Then they started waking up when they saw the spiritual bankrupcy of the organization. I don't know if they could be considered stronger than others, maybe they were just damned lucky..

I've seen too many "smoking guns"- people cowering under the threats issued of what would happen if they left, or didn't do this, or didn't do that- to dismiss it as some kind of fable.

Oh yes, this was the "good old days". 1978 to be precise..

Which century? I am aware of very different circumstances- those who abandoned their committment to da vey and "god" were marked as traitors.. if they didn't have any family support, they were sent to the outback, with NO help or support from any locals. We were "warned" of their coming- to refer all pleas for help and support to the bigwig in the area. This happened more than once or twice, that I remember.. One instance, a corps couple were dropped for: an accidental pregnancy. It was UGLY.. apparently she would not get an abortion or anything. They coulda just said "go in peace, come back when you're ready".. but NOOOOOO. "You're breaking your commitment to GOD ALMIGHTY." So they desperately tried to continue with the corps in their existing circumstance.. without having their "cumberance" surgically removed.. I got to hear the story before any "warning" was issued. That's a "mistake" I never saw "them" ever make, again. But yes, I would say they held a gun to their heads. "You're gonna really get it if you try to duck out of this, and by the way, don't 'corrupt' the 'household'" The only reason some people left that ....hole, was because the idiots went TOO FAR.

But still, with the raw copying.. surely did not spare him the plaigiarism they abundantly showed to others.. Hmmm. Makes me wonder a little more. vic knew the guy, personally. Perhaps vic was counting on BG being "a nice guy" about it all.

True.. that makes a little more sense to me now.

Just TOO obvious. Good grief, you could walk into one of those lessons to the household thingies during lunch at that stink hole, and it'd be like Deja Vu.. "OUR people, because of our stand managed to have great deliverance. The hurricane was averted from its TRUE course, the heartland of northern Ohio..." And they probably still lap that stuff up like there's no tomorrow..

I dunno.. "their take on it" is pretty obvious by now.. that place hasn't changed in the last thirty or more years. The problem for me though, their "answer" to this question seems to echo in my head every time something really bad happens.. I really wish I COULD forget it.. I can still see the bastards back in a smoke-filled room somewhere, "Yuck yuck yuck, they shoulda been like us.." Spiritually, I think you'd be better off IN the stinking hurricane..

Well, that would only work if we could SEE you, invisible one..

My short answer to the question.. "Noooooooo."

Honestly, I can't see how somebody that claims to understand quantum physics, really thinks they are so stinking smart.. We haven't begun to scratch the surface in this big universe of ours. Even at the very best, we know so little.. So I agree. Hip Hip Hooray, for ignorance.. sorry, we're all in the same boat..

Good grief- you never get over it. I am not wallowing in self pity or anything, but I still miss my parents. Oh well..

All this crap is nothing new, to der vey. I would date this in the spring of 1975.

This DOES bring back an old, old memory.. The "leadership" in the "good old days".. I lost both of my parents at a rather young age. They apparently thought that I had spiritual problems because- drum roll please- I didn't over it. That must have been why I was getting the same results they were, jumping through the same hoops.. Friggin idiots.

Absolutely.. others offered kind suggestions along the way (Igotout and others) and were not only ignored, but given "the bums rush" out of the joint.. Apparently there was some things- and people- of value in TWI. Why they threw both off the ship still is a puzzle to me. Look what's left in their two-class society. The rosies and donnas, and the cleaners, dusters and food tasters.