Ham

Well, I just played "casual observer" and did an internet search for our old "beloved" former leadership- Two out of the top three, yes, good ole Harve and Rosie- first page displayed say they are busy running a second rate cult, and same page mentions their alleged criminal complicity regarding Martindale's behavior. Includes all kinds of links to the real deal. Even if I was never involved in the group, and read this stuff, it would be an understatement to say that I would not be very impressed. Their sin is indelibly etched, for all the world to see if they care. They've gotta hate it. Names with no honor attached to them. And all the resources of the group could not come anywhere near being able to erase their contribution from history. Jean did not show up in the search, at all. Maybe he's a good guy, who knows.. Same kind of search for my name, it did show up- about six or seven pages down. It actually was a link to a site about something that I did that was actually good, and it had NO mention of Da Vey International- thank GOD, heh heh.

Redundant, perhaps... I think its more of a fashion statement. Any change would have to be an improvement.

What a novel idea, heh heh. I should have thought of that, my old neighbors thought I was nuts. The next to last branch coordinator I knew here forbade ANYBODY to witness to his neighbors. "I've spent xxxxx hours working with this guy, and I don't want anybody to mess with him." I actually respected him for this- he may have had his faults, but he wasn't a freaking out of his mind religious zealot, at least at that time. All the other jackasses wouldn't hesitate to come to your town, your neighborhood, stir stuff up, and leave you to fend for yourself.

"yeah he said something in "the class" along the lines "and he spoke to me clear as whatever just like i'm speaking to you now" Good grief- and even I could believe the unbelievable at one time. But I guess we had to swallow that one before "we should come to the realization that we owe our very lives to the ministry..." Maybe he just CONVINCED himself that God really spoke to him. Easier to sell horse manure if you're convinced that its made of pure gold.

Sigourney on steroids, "Ahhhl be baaak" heh heh.

"made and impact" "in the world" Sure would be interesting if we had a few specifics.. heh heh. "I keep hammering my head in the pavement, because the BOD tells me so. All this activity must be having some kind of an effect.."

Well, can't live in your own private boudoir forever.. "Ugly, Ugly, Ugly.............and they are Ugly too. Yuch! And Rosie's picture looks more like a mug shot for a Costco or Sam's club card." I dunno. Maybe more appropriate for the bottom of a bird cage, heh heh.

My shekels are on "Mr" Harve.. probably the only one with any charisma left.. of course, close exposure to ole rose may taken care of that little problem. Probably won't hear from ole rose, she and donna will just fade off to emeritus oblivion with little mention in Vey history..

The cost.. Way too high. Still think I was sold a bill of goods. If you were blessed, you were blessed, and those stinkers just kept trying to sell what you already had.. If you weren't, you weren't. I think some were not, and would never be no matter how much positive believing/justrenew your mind Wierwillian psychology was shoved down their throats. I dunno, in a lot of ways I am "blessed". Other weaknesses and problems were never solved, even with gargantuan effort. Well, I'm "blessed" to know I can't fix EVERYTHING now.. heh heh.

Perhaps just a small logical point.. let's assume that they DO receive da big word of knowledge, word of wisdom, and discerning of internet spirits. Obviously, it cannot be wrong in the sight of the almighty to view or post here, as many have, and the almighty won't tell them A SINGLE WORD about it.

Now Belle, I thought that was "You might be a PARTIALLY CULTURED redneck" kind of dysfunctionality, heh heh. I came from an educated, loving, stable as you could get family, but unfortunately, lost both parents at a rather early age- lost my father when I was twelve, and mother at seventeen. I guess this could be called dysfunctional at its worst. I think both my brother and I went kind of bananas.. he sure was not old enough to provide any stability. At least I did not expect him to do so. We have always been close, but we are a lot closer after me exiting a twenty some relationship with TWI.

You make a good point. The word "cult" carries a distinct danger when applied to somebody's personal beliefs, especially by comparing orthodox beliefs, but I have a problem. what in the world do you call an abusive group like the one we are discussing? Maybe somebody should coin a new word for them: "Selfrighteoussonsabitchesthatuseany formofintimidationandmanipulation theycanfindtomakemerchandiseofyou" I don't think its going to catch on any time real soon..

Unbelievable- at least almost. I listened to those tapes over and over- somehow I managed to miss this one. Must have not paid my bill, heh heh. But it does not suprise me very much now.. I remember ole Doc's claim that the books were open for examination by any grad of PFAL. Now we see what happened to people who took him up on his kind offer.

Signals, please put me on the not list. Other than me, I think you have many more friends here than you may think. Besides, hams really listen to signals.

Yep, House, that's about what I see too. The nice softer, almost humanized, words suggest some kind of false "repentance" of sorts.. "We're nice(er) now". But they are still up there in their cloud, at least temporarily, busy enough to ignore all the problems they promoted down here in the valley of human need.. Oh well.

Belle, I would suggest that perhaps, just perhaps, they finally came to the conclusion that the "modern" informercial type of high pressure sales, loaded with "positive" veyspeak just doesn't do the job it used to. I think people are just plain worn out from being subjected to this kind of junk, an answer to EVERYTHING, promoting a product that they consider next to blasphemy to question in any way, results absolutely guaranteed until you do not receive them. Maybe they just can't muster up the excitement that they once had for an old, unworkable product. Maybe they are beginning to count up the lawsuits and the shekels.. Maybe they are getting a clue of what's really going on. Rosie may not outlive their dwindling nest egg, but the other guys most likely will. It would be far better for them to get a clue about what kind of abuse they heaped on thousands of people, but that would be wishing for a little too much. From the tone that I perceive from these articles, they are kinder and gentler, in word only.

I notice not one of the articles are titled with "prevailing", "household", "victory", or similar Vey speak. Has the leopard indeed shed its spots? More likely, they have been reading some of our assessments here. Can't get much of an honest assessment out of a Veybot- "So, how was the article, what do you think?" "Well, I was so blessed. In fact, I was so blessed that I was blessed.."

Woo hoo, heh heh.

Hey Pat! Yep, too bad, heh heh. The thing they greatly fear would come upon them..

Heh heh heh heh heh.

I can almost hear one of the tactical meetings, trying to save any appearance of decency for the "organization" "Waaail, what are we a gonna doo ta save face round hyar?" "In all honesty and respect, you may wish not to speak, publically. And for God's sake, quit trying to smile".

Belle, Good question! I wonder how they can smile, at all. No retirement to speak of, no real friends, and very likely no family left that they have not royally pi**ed off. Doesn't even look like a smile, at least to me. Looks like they just swallowed a canary or something.. I think ole Rose caught on, and just gave up trying, to smile that is.. If you call this a smile, you've gotta be joking. Looks more like she just coughed up a furball.

Bob, you really oughta know better than starting a thread about the "little" old "lady" when I'm around, heh heh.

Well.. I probably introduced about fifty folks to da class. I can only think of five or six that really stuck with the "ministry". All that I followed up on are no longer in the cesspool, thank God..

Not that its so important, but I think I left out: Wearing a Mercedez hood element around her neck, and sporting two dozen or so body piercings.. Gruesome, heh heh.