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The ole "Limb Leader" here ended up making a statement shortly after he left. "We have been serving a mad man". That probably says it all..

I was out before this, but- I seem to remember Loy got on "uncle Howard" for not keeping TWI financially "ship shape". Shortly after, ole "uncle" H was replaced with somebody else. I forget his name. I seem to remember something about the new guy almost vanishing in the night Now I read that Loy spoke in an "emergency financial" meeting. Then the cause was, not his "revelation", not uncle H. That was it! It was those darn taxes! They sure solved that little problem. Anything and everything seemed to be accountable except for the supposed infallible revelation. Somehow Loy sees snow and gas pumps falling from the sky on a clear June day, and hearing a voice telling him to "put the corpses back to work" and they bought it. No questions asked. At least to my knowledge. Unbelievable.

Wayfer Not, since I was not corpse, I could only guess how that corpse meeting went. "Faithful corpses and distinguished fellas, well, "Mr" Martindale is temporarily on a (ahem) sabbatical, feverishly researching "da verd" for our benefit.."

House, they keep coming back. "We are a biblical research... ministry". Ptooie. It sounds so "professional" ya know. Kinda like saying, "yep, I still have a bible.." for about all that little phrase is worth.

Technobyte, good point, but they would then have to admit that they had "members". Hardly worth it if the only three "members" had access to it. But.. I could see it now. "Upcoming events" section. Sceduled "board meetings" in the Bahamas, "supply and logistic" meetings (extravagant shopping sprees in New York or at the New Knoxville Mall), budget meetings (figuring out who the next poor full time staffer to get the axe because he or she might get sick) etc. Oh yes, thanks House. I see Mr. bread and vegetables is still hard at work. I won't say who, might be fun- probably half of the people on the list could fit the description by now.

12. Remove all sharp objects from your pockets. This includes knives, sharpened pencils, pens etc. Carefully place them in the supplied pouch. Sit on the floor beneath the evidence table. Curl up as tight as you can, kiss your a** goodbye.

The Che***s are probably still in exile in NJ. Too bad, I thought he was a nice guy before they got to him..

I think the bread and vegetables guy and wife runs a region, somewhere. Boy, he sure is "qualified"!

That might be easy. There's Headquarters, then there's everywhere else. Makes it easier for them to count regions.

I'd look, but the last time I did I started getting a pretty sick feeling- somebody with a better stomach than mine will have to look.

Yep Exie.. I suppose somebody had to make some of the real decisions when Loy was going through some of his "fits".

I think they were landscapers once also. They could take over grounds keeping and take care of all of those pesky moles.. Sorry Steve, heh heh.. I hope somebody who is really in the know can come around here and honestly answer your question!

Ha ha ha ha ha ha... at least it may be more "comforting" than some of the stuff I have heard..

When they were done with the auditorium, they'd have to rename it. "The Prevailing Water Out of the Light Sockets Auditorium".

Absolutely. They could do quite a job on the plumbing in the auditorium! Heck, they were even dentists once. Somebody could finally fix Rosies teeth..

Sorry to ruin a perfectly good question, Steve.. but if the three stooges were the new bot, things may finally be a little funny.

Overseer of finances: Mr. Magoo Trunk Coordinator: Stalin Donna Coordinator: Rosie New Bot. The Three Stooges.

That is a good point however.. what DOES it have to do with the Bible? Somehow, I bought into some of the stuff- but things eventually bothered me. On the one hand, we have preached an Almighty God, able and willing to do ANYTHING, and then on the other hand, somehow, he needed OUR help to get it done. Not just "simple believing" any more, but look at all the conditions. Tithe (sorry, old wineskin- minimum giving of 15 percent, more later), have to consult the supposed "experts" on any decision, small or great. Can't go anywhere by yourself. Have to go at least by pairs lest da adversary jump you like jumping's going out of style, account for where you are, what you're doing, who with, when you have sex, do you have enough sex? Have to submit a schedule at least a week ahead of time of all your activities, and god have mercy on you if you stray from it- etc, etc, etc... all because somehow the Almighty God needs your assistance, to "schedule" da adversary out of your life. Honestly, I began thinking God must be kinda small. I finally realized that was not the case. THEIR god was too small. All the crap that came with the full time corpse thingy really proved it.

Good question! (though may be rhetorical..) That is finally what I started asking myself. Like, what does not mixing your breads and vegetables at each meal have ANYTHING to do with the bible, or being a "believer" for that matter..

11. Don't hire a good lawyer, save your money. Hire a bumbling idiot, or try to represent yourself. Da judge may feel sorry for you..

Hey Belle.. I remember a couple of them. I think the "leaders" competed with each other to see who had the most, and farthest reaching spittle. Glad they did not discover chewing tobacco..

One of the real sad parts of this is, most innies have no idea of what's going on. Sometimes I think it would take Ole Rosie being hauled off in chains, but they'd find some way of hiding that..

I have been thinking.. what do they have to gain by supporting this guy? True, Loy was the "charismatic cash cow" of the organization. And they stood behind them to the end. Cripe, they made him head over the "research" dept before things got real ugly, and they were fully aware of what he had done, for YEARS. But this guy.. what gives? I think they are desperately trying to salvage whatever perceived hopes they have of keeping their little cult afloat. Makes me wonder how many innies have been informed of this. From the suprised posting of one of them, I would venture to say not many. Doesn't make much sense to me. Maybe they still have the arrogance to think that the "old wineskin" tactics of old will save them- keep the few followers left in isolation and ignorance about the situation, and attribute the legal ramifications to "attacks of da adversary". Protect and hide the perpetrator, if they could get away with it. Intimidate and/or threaten anybody that knows anything about it. Lie, beg, borrow and steal to keep it quiet, at least as quiet as possible. "That the ministry be not blamed". I think it's a tactic that's doomed to fail.

Lindy, What I saw around here- in the fellowships there were close to seventy plus really fine people. Now there are probably about half a dozen or so. Of those, I would rank all but two or three good, smart, self respecting folks. My opinion of one is that the person is rotten to the core. The other two, the local fellowship coordinators, I have not met, and have no idea or opinion about them. I only know they were long time staffers, probably released from staff to go figure out their own retirement and health care. I think the good guys that are left are just convinced they are doing the right thing. They really did manage to run off MOST of the good, smart, self respecting people around here. Same for the whole state. Anybody that had the capacity to be real mean, abusive, and able to blindly follow the company line, at least in a leadership position, seemed to be immune to this. I also knew a few of them, and they are still in the organization, running things. Maybe some of you know some exceptions to this- I only know what I saw. Most of the purge (at least here) was done when the corpses were to be full time. The subject of this thread brought back a few memories, really got me going a little. I think they took what Loy did for the corpses and applied it to everyone else. In our state, the only one left who they considered qualified to run it was a really stupid, nazi-type individual. Fully convinced that two plus two is equal to five because "the MOG told me so". It would not even be worth the effort to try to argue with the guy. (I've forgotten more about two plus two equals five than you'll ever know.. heh heh.) We were pretty isolated too, and did not have a clue what was going on in other areas. Heck, we did not even know anything when they ran off Wayne, Geek, Cat, and the other smart folks. Igotout got out after I was out. Just never heard anything about them anymore. But I'll bet the corpses did. Lindy, I hope that clarifies my post. I only know what I observed in my area, and I think my observation is fairly accurate. I in no way intended to slam your parents or any other good folk that are left in that ungodly situation. Maybe we were taught right about evil being a parasite, requires good to even exist. Makes me feel sad for the few left in, the ones that I know. Severed friendships, severed family relationships, but they are convinced that it is the right thing to do. I imagine you can find some good in everybody- Mr. "bread and vegetables" included. I just could not find it in him. I dunno.. I was not born into the cult, but spent close to twenty five years of my adult life in that mess- that's gotta be pretty darn close. Long enough to practically forget what it was like living outside of some of the confines of the group. After over five years out, I am still discovering some of my individuality. And I still had some life outside of the group- I was not corpse or staff or anything like that. I almost cannot imagine what that must have been like. In a way, the full time corpse thing and additional pressure was the best thing they did, not for them, but for us.

Lindy, no aspersions to them were intended.. I made sure I left a loophole- they ran off MOST, I think I said about all, of the good folks, because people like you and others still have relatives or friends in that are good and decent. I know a few of them, and don't have anything bad to say about them either. I sure feel bad for what they did to your parents. It does prove a point- they chose to "ax" the good ones off the payroll. Still path of least resistance. It sounds like they don't have an evil or vindictive bone in their bodies.