karmicdebt

...how much farther your money goes when you aren't taking 15% + off the top... ...how much nicer is is to see people as people without labeling them into catagories like believer, unbeliever, unbelieving believer...

No Mike, your response is pretty much what I expected...now back to the other question since you have terrible recall except for PFAL and even that is spotty...here is a cut and paste from the thread "promises never fulfilled": Starting with your post: Hi Galen, I can take it, but it seems this thread is bothering others here more. Hey! I?ve been looking for your e-mail address. You posted it on the old GS, before it?s present incarnation, and I wrote you once. Since then I found out we both know Frank, here in SD. Please write me someday, ok? Bumbyrama, As long as you hide out in your secret troll identity it?s hard to answer your charges. Did we meet in a previous lifetime? Is this how you skip out on your karmic debt? ...by throwing accusations at people? ...by pretending that you know me when we?ve never met, not even once? What?s your REAL problem with me? I?ll leave this thread now so that you can get back to haranguing me unhampered. By the way, I think it?s somewhat dishonest (in most circumstances, Paw, I can think of) to change handles, but retain the same personality. You need not be spooked by thoughts of me creeping around the board or into this thread in an alter handle ego costume. posted April 25, 2003 11:38 _________________________________________________________________ karmicdebt -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike, I really hope you are not refering to me in anyway. I know you make up memory as it suits you....this person wants something you said you give. keep me out of it, psycho. You don't know who I am either.... PS: The last thing I want is reading material from you. posted April 25, 2003 11:54 ______________________________________________________________ Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, to tell the truth, I'm pretty confused here on this thread as to who's who... who I promised a book to... who lived in SD... who knows me... If you and/or Bump can e-mail me with your actual identities, then I can answer the latest charges against me. I haven't promised that many books, and in only one case do I remember backing off from a person who had initially contacted me. Until this post, you karmicdebt, were the only person I thought fit that situation. [This message was edited by Mike on April 25, 2003 at 13:14.] posted April 25, 2003 12:25 ______________________________________________________________ Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ok, Ok. I did a little research in my e-mail files. I?m not doing too well with my promise to only post once here, but little mysteries sometimes need to be solved. ****************** karmicdebt, I apologize. If you are who I think you are, I wanted to give you a Blue Book, but our schedules didn?t mesh to your satisfaction, and you asked that I not call you anymore. I didn?t call or write any more. You had initially contacted me by e-mail from my e-address posted here at GS. We never met in person, but exchanged a few e-mails and about 3 phone calls. That was the end of our contact ...if you are who I?m guessing. ****************** Bumbyrama, If you are who I think you are, and again I?m guessing, my e-mail records show no promise of any book whatsoever to you. You were posting heavily on eph320.com and asked if anyone knew where Frank was, the same Frank that Galen and I know, mentioned above. So I responded to your request, we e-mailed about ten times. Then you suddenly stopped answering my letters, and I noticed a lot of situations in your family life requiring prayer from your many, many posts on eph320. I did pray as you requested. I think you may have lost track of me during your all you many postings there. Then you came here to GS and saw the fur flying. Maybe you picked up on some other situation involving promised books, and erroneously thought I had promised you a book. That's one theory. Another theory is that I'm not the same Mike you think I am. I have posted MANY clues to my identity, Mike is my actual given name that I've always gone by, and I've posted my e-mail address. If you had a real beef with me, why didn't you confront me privately first? That's how Jesus taught we should do it. Why splash it in public and distract many people needlesly? I suggest you search your e-mail files and see that there was no promise of books at all. If I?m wrong, there?ll be a UPS truck headed in your direction with anything I promised. I think you fell in with the crowd mentality here and started picking up stones because it looked like all the others were having such fun getting on my case. This is all I know about all this, and I feel pretty darned innocent. [This message was edited by Mike on April 25, 2003 at 13:20.] [This message was edited by Mike on April 25, 2003 at 16:55.] [This message was edited by Mike on April 25, 2003 at 16:58.] posted April 25, 2003 12:53 ____________________________________________________________________ karmicdebt -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No - Mike, I have a blue book. I did not contact you. And we never exchanged e-mails. And I may be pushy on the boards, but like all passive/aggressive ex-cult members, I have excellent phone manners. posted April 25, 2003 12:58 ______________________________________________________________________ Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ok karmicdebt. This is pretty confusing. Now I have to re-think the MH situation, if you're not her. BTW, along with my apology, I edited out the "pushy" comment. posted April 25, 2003 13:12 ________________________________________ End of cut and paste. Last thing...sorry no ABS...I bought a 32" Sony flat screen with it...I enjoy sweet fellowship with the Father watching it for He is always with me.... :)-->

Mike you threatened us with the following statement: "All I can say is control your emotions, and consider how high the stakes are if you?re wrong." If you didn't mean it...if it is not really what you meant to imply...if there is no wager for which we are at risk then edit your freakin' post. And I would not speak to anyone regarding composition when you post a sentence like this one... "Dr TOLD us that he was guided by God as to which men to seek answers from." If you want to write it with a lot of extra words that's fine. Then write, "Dr. told us that he was guided by God as to which men to seek answers from, ladies and gentlemen." But a better sentence is: Dr. told us he, guided by God, sought answers from certain men. Come on, Mike didn't you ever read Strunk and White's Elements of Style? I thought every OLG had a copy. Check the green book...I bet there is a hidden reference to it in there somewhere. big kiss!

Ex, I really wish I knew you! Wanna come to the Arizona get together... You are remarkable really...

A few minutes before church service started, the townspeople were sitting in their pews and talking. Suddenly, Satan appeared at the front of the church. Everyone started screaming and running for the front entrance,trampling each other in a frantic effort to get away from the evil incarnate. Soon everyone had exited the church except for one elderly gentleman who sat calmly in his pew without moving, seemingly oblivious to the fact that God's ultimate enemy was in his presence. So Satan walked up to the old man and said "Don't you know who I am?" The man replied, "Yes, I know. "Aren't you afraid of me?" Satan asked. "No, not at all," said the man. "Don't you realize I can kill you with a word?" asked Satan. "Don't doubt it for a minute," returned the old man, in an even tone. "Did you know that I could cause you profound, horrifying, agony for all eternity?" persisted Satan. "Yes," was the reply. "And you're still not afraid?" asked Satan. "Not at all," said the old man. More than a little perturbed, Satan asked, "Well, why aren't you afraid of me?" The man calmly replied, "Been married to your sister for 48 years."

Mike, don't forget the threat you gave us. Explain please!!!

EWB....don't worry. It is part of the good cop/bad cop thing Mike does....he's playing both parts. He insults and then says he didn't mean it and then says we are taking his words out of context.... And it is only because of his poor communication skills that he can use "the out of context" argument. 1/2 the time I don't know what the .... he is saying!

Mike, why do I even care?....because you posted it and it was threatening! Let me paste it again. "All I can say is control your emotions, and consider how high the stakes are if you?re wrong. If I were you I?d sit tight and at least wait for my data to be relatively depleted." Now I am asking you to explain that remark. How high are the stakes if we are wrong....Did you just type it or did you mean it? Your recall must only work in PFAL matters since We have had more than one exchange as to knowing each other. On this thread and I believe Pat's thread...I will not go down that road again. You will just have to look them up.

I thought maybe they both contained ubiquitously hidden homosexual messages... :)-->

Oh, and Mike to answer your question...I don't believe the bible is the word of God like some believe the bible is the word of God. I think it is a wonderful reference book...much like the Kabbalah, the Bhagavada-Gita (baby) the Tao Te Ching, The Tibetan Book of the Dead, The Dead Sea Scrolls, The ....shall I continue? edited typo... [This message was edited by karmicdebt on July 03, 2003 at 1:28.]

Mike, Please do not allow my question to be buried... Exactly how high are the stakes if we are wrong? What is the consequence for not following the doctrine you teach?

Mike posts: "All I can say is control your emotions, and consider how high the stakes are if you?re wrong. If I were you I?d sit tight and at least wait for my data to be relatively depleted." Mike, tell me how high are the stakes? Is my soul at risk of damnation? Is my cushy little life at risk of normal highs and lows? Please tell me...Because I am prepared to live this life just as it plays out. Life is great and sometimes it is painful. God never said otherwise. Would my life be better if I lived in the PFAL dream state of denying reality for the expectation that God is going to fix everything? As to controlling my emotions...should I then not be absolutely estatic about my life. Should I not rejoice with my friends for their successes and weep in their sadness? Or just control my emotions around you and your thoughts? Just wondering, Mike...because I love my life and God is good always...

Actually, she is nearly as rich as the queen. The queen has many priceless assets therefore no one has a clear picture of her wealth. But JK is the second wealthiest women in England for sure... I love that she bought a house with her initial earnings and then gave it to a single mom friend once she was rich enough to buy a mansion. or is it a castle? That sounds pretty "Christian" to me...

Check your private topics. Let me know if I've missed anyone. I will post directions and phone # there.

you betcha'. Let me figure out a good and yet somewhat discreet way of letting everyone know. Not all have available e-mail addresses and I have to figure out the private topics thing...

Here's another request for Rocky, I do not wish to be photgraphed... :)-->

SirG, Just foward a background check and clean DMV printout and I will forward directions. Finger prints are not neccessary at this point. Saturday, July 19th 1:00 pm All ya'll, how does that sound? Reply and let me know how many in your party.

Amen.

I wanted to be the poster of all wisdom!!! :)--> Okay, How about if I be: The one who loves to derail this thread

again you are mistaken...some of us are friends and family of grads. and some of us are grads of the new class and some of us are writing college thesis' on cults and group think dynamics and some of us....

Ginger...I wasn't taking a shot at you...Sorry for the implication that you were pro PFAL. I never believed you were only that you do support his rights to post...That was the back up I was refering to...Again my apologies. Peace

Okay...I'll be bossy. If ya'll still want to do it at my house (south east Tucson) close to the 10 freeway. I propose the weekend of the 19th/20th. It's up to you if you prefer Saturday or Sunday. I'll provide pasta, sauce (gravy) sausage and salad dressing. I also have wine if you want it. You guys bring the rest. Dessert, salad, bread, etc... Somebody see if Jen is still interested...please! Also, the community pool is available as well as courts and trails and play grounds if you want an outdoors thing. If that is the case, we can bbq (gas grills provided) at the pool. Let me know!

Mike posts: "I reject your limited definition of what GreaseSpot is. Pawtucket is the one who defines this place, not you. He has so defined it that it, that it is the ONLY splinter group that allows total free speech." Mike! We are not a splinter group. This is not a religious site. There are no prayer meetings or manifestations and no horn is passed for your "abundant sharing". (Although, I wish you could be charged a per word rate for the abundant sharing you do). And thank God we are not "like minded". We have diverse ideas and experiences. I am not even a Christian so what "splinter group" was formed into that? I think it is insulting to Paw to call this a splinter group. I also think now would be a good time to rally your pro-PFAL friends and show that you are really doing good here. You need some back up, Mike. ...Ginger?...Seaspray?...anyone?...anyone?...

Family 12 here...I know the whereabouts of a few folks, but don't see much of them these days!

May you be spoiled appropriately on your special day! K