karmicdebt

Tucson, Tucson, Tucson.... but, I am willing to travel haven't ventured out to many parts of AZ yet...

ZIXAR. One of the only good reasons to visit the Mike threads....

Excellent points here. I was surprised not to see this before.

You're nuts. I'd say I'd pray for you, but I won't.

Because Mike, I don't like you. I don't like that you called me at home several times and added more trouble to my already troubled marriage and home life at that time. You are without wisdom and you are without understanding. I will continue to do what I can to derail your thread. You belong somewhere else. You hurt more people than you help and you don't take the obvious or subtle requests to move on.

Mikes temptations were that he didn't get the respect he thought he deserved as an older leader grad....that's why he's here. And once he realizes we share the same contempt, he will once again deal with his "ds" issues. although, with the support of his current fellowship he can once dismiss the idea that he made any contribution to his current state. That's the beauty of PFALLACY, people! No personal responsibility. If you don't like where you are at spiritually, financially, personally - blame the adversary! Paw, make sure he doesn't toilet paper the restrooms on the way out! :)-->

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spare us, Mike...It's Easter and we want to worship the fertility god now...

The wages of sin are death, but by the time taxes are taken out---it's sort of a tired feeling.

I think I have a handle on it now....Mike was abused (emotionally/physically -no matter) by his mother or some other female authority figure. Now he feels a comfort in stirring the anger of women who will lash out at him...Mike likes to get his butt kicked by girls! Sir G...I love reading your posts...You are a treasure! Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. Dr. Seuss

That's the point, Mike. Nobody wants it...At least here...out in the open. The votes are in. Work with the ones you have. The few that have expressed interest, but not on a message board What you are doing does more to destroy than to build...it's a better use of your time.

Mike again says: If we steer the conversation towards the good we were taught, then we can get healed of the hurts. It worked for me, but it took time. Just give it a try here on this thread. _______________________________________ Mike, Give me a break! You have not healed...You are in denial...You have swallowed more crap and think if you bury it deep enough and can't smell it anymore, well, then it must not be crap! Crap it all is. To heal you have to dig it up, acknowledge it and put it in it's proper place. We don't want that "good". We are free to see good in other avenues. We are free...free at last to take the good and the bad and that which we can't quite understand and work with it. We don't need you (especially you) to interpret it for us. We are happy with what we have learned and what we still can learn and it ain't from PFALLACY. And we have been healed and will continue to heal....the right way. We have been released from those chains that bound us and we won't be enslaved to it again. The worse thing you a person can do is tell someone their feelings don't matter. This is especially true with children. What we feel does matter and is valid. Being able to talk about it in this way...makes memories lose their power. It assists the healing process. This is not new stuff Mike it's just the The Ubiquitously Hidden Teaching VPW didn't want you to hear.

What you "found" is a mirage...keep drinking sand, Mike.... You know we all ate .... and called it icecream at some point in our lives and then finally started calling it by it's proper name. Then we were free to accept what God wanted for us. Not what we wanted God for.... It's been said several times here, Mike. Seek professional help. Scared you could have been wrong? Scared of what you might find? Jesus said the kingdon of God is within you. That is the brave endeavor. That shows a man what he is made of and his potential. You are a text book case, Mike, just like Vic.... and you have become a continual dropping... the more you post the more people you run off...cut your loses and move on. If someone wants to hear more...they will find you...but this way only glorifies you..not God. Hmmm....it seems there is a common thought posted by your detractors...we have grown tired of you...and tend to respond to comfort those you hurt with unfeeling words...

Only in your world Mike....walking on water yet?

Mike...Memories live in your tissues- your very body...Ever hear of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder? Things can trigger the reoccurance of memories...a scent, a phrase, a location. You just don't get it and you don't care. You are hurting people and pushing buttons. The more you post the more defenders you lose because more of your heart is exposed. And it's not pretty. We all met you before and can see you a mile off. It was our trauma that made us wiser...

Mike posted....Most of you folks want to work on emphasizing the negative aspects of Dr?s actions, which you only have fading memories of, and I?ll work on emphasizing the positives, which we have a record of. Mike you are an incredibly insensitive bast*rd! Do yo really think that sexual assault becomes a fading memory? Read a different book. As*hole! You ought to be ashamed of yourself, but alas you are too caught up in your delusion to stop taking hostages as you move the Word of Wierwille. Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. Dr. Seuss

I am sorry you feel (or felt) that way. The perfect apology without taking responsibility if you don't think you should.

Now I realize I was taking your posts too personally. Once again I am under the radar. I took the class in 1982. Please pass the salad...No wonder I couldn't digest all the meat and potatoes... :)-->

okay...I'll ask...what is an older leader grad? Exactly what position did you hold? How many name tags do you honor? Does my corps training make me a leader or the fact that I got to be a WOW family coordinator after 6 months of being " in the word"? By the way...I apologize to my WOW sisters for that too...sorry, just following orders...

Mikes wrote: Karmicdebt, And if your guess is wrong, then your debt increases, unless you have a saviour to pay that price. Mike, it was your doctor who told me the button won't come out. Thank God. Now I don't need to have a savior. Once saved always saved....I spoke in tongues just like you...isn't that my proof that I believed and now gives me the liberty to be an unbeliever? Woo hoo! Party! And Mike, I still do not believe in your Jesus!

Excellent point Mark. The great doctor did not teach the words of Christ unless they fit perfectly into his propaganda.... Luke 17:20,21 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. Didn't Doc teach the pharisees were seed? Why would JC give them the keys to heaven. Why would he tell them where to find it. Was Christ missing the "revelation"? Why didn't the doctor address this stuff, Hmmm? My guess? He was a hack!

"God has blessed us with His Word like it has not been known since the first century." How do you know that? VPW said it--that settles it--you believe it. You haven't put PFAL down long enough to see what has been out there since the 1st century...Go to the library...do some real research. Oi, gevald!

I think Mike is of the mind set "each one win one" and he is determined to sway one greasespotter. Maybe if we sacrifice one he will go away....any volunteers? Think of the greater good man! :)--> I would do it, but don't think I could hide my disdain well enough to pull it off....

I'm deleting my post...I knew not to look and I did anyway. No need for me to slam Mike for being Mike...But please...you guys go ahead... [This message was edited by karmicdebt on March 30, 2003 at 20:48.]

I can't find a good definition of the term. Maybe someone has one. It basically deals with one's emotional realm. The way one views the world and life experiences. It also deals with behaviors and healthy levels of shame and conscience. It is said people with these types of difficulties lack conscience, are more suspicious and/or threatened of others. The origin is usually childhood difficulties and developmental problems. I am only touching on this topic...I am not qualified...