karmicdebt

and "the last word freak" award goes to....

I wanted to post to Rosie and Kelli and the rest: Mazel Tov!

"Some folks now believe hitting is never justified, at all. Let's be clear on that." That's what I believe...hitting is never justified... When would it be? At work, at the park? at a little league game? When is hitting justified really?...some believe only if it to teacn who's in control to a defenseless child. Let's be clear on that.

Seems after all these years you only remember the slap. Probably because you did nothing to really warrant such a demeaning act....Your mind has convinced you that it must have been deserved....this is a survival mechanism... Corporal punishment is never a solution. If a child is talking back, adults would do a much better service to the child by finding out why and talking through those feelings. Not to teach them they are bad and their feelings are bad... Adults hit because they want control...to break the spirit of a willfull child gives them the feeling that they can control the future of the young... What a world, what a world...

Sorry, Chwester...I keep forgetting, you are one of those hand picked, especially loved by God people...whose hatred, prejudice, superiority, God loves America better than the rest of the world, are good moral character... I keep forgetting that as long as you are "righteously" angry about something or someone...you sleep better at night... I keep forgetting as long as you can point to others...you never need to look in...scary place to go...the kingdom of God... Party on!

I don't care either way...if they ask and I have it - it's theirs. and the reward is in the giving...makes my day every time... judge not lest ye be judged...perfectly wonderful sentiment until you add "but"... There is nothing wrong with saying no. We have the right to say no. It's convincing ourselves we are doing the right thing-saying no- where the real internal issue is...Why do we have to label "bum" "lazy" "drunk"...etc. to make it right in ourselves? That is the kind of question you have to answer when you are seeking truth...

Okay...I'll spill, but I don't want to discuss it nor do I want a bunch of posts telling me how sorry you are or anything like that okay? My child was molested by a TC's teenager...The TC pushed me to let his teen babysit for extra $$$ and it happened. I was so young and stupid... I notified the parents, and the limb cood. the real ....er is a lot of real traumatic stuff happened in our area (death, spousal abuse, alcoholism) and I'll be damned, everytime something bad happened, the branch guy would say..."oh, yeah, the devil is really kicking up trouble now...cuz "the word" is moving or some trash like that...I didn't want to tell him because I didn't want our experience used as a teaching point! In his defense, a couple a years later, he, the branch coord. apologized...it was just where his head was at, at that time...I was happy he woke up...

I thought no copies meant no copies...

The perfect example of disregard, disrespect and condescension masked as humor... "..er ...uh HI! Brady. Old pal. Old buddy. Say, that was a long post! I was just tidying up here, and didn't have a chance to read it all. ...um ...stammer... So, who do you think will win the pennant this year?" So, how many faithful followers have you garnered off greasespot, Mike? It appears this is how you treat the highly educated here. Your life appears dismal, Mike...I feel sorry for you...you seem to want to hold on to PFAL because it is all you have to show for your life and that is okay....but we don't want to be like Mike! I consider falling on my face a learning experience and I get up again and again...and I never blame you or VP or the adversary or God...it's just life...The more attached one is to their opinion, the more aggressively they defend it and then the more aggression is added to the world and more pain and violence... Let go, Mike...nonaggression is peace...hurt for hurt. mock for mock. even when you win- you lose...and God is never glorified ... yada yada

there is a list in the advanced class sylabus, I think...

Outie, Awesome...your family sounds wonderful... I always try to remind my kids...you are as sick as your secrets...there isn't anything we can't talk about! Well done! Excellent post!

Even the waygb can see a nut case when it dances in front of them....they probably stopped reading Mike threads a year ago... princeton theology....not princeton...

freak...

CW, Excellent post! Thanks...

Jonny, Are you sure that he was a homosexual and not a pedophile? there is a distinction. And I am very sorry you had to experience it... No homosexuality is not so say no pedophilla...they are two different things. And as a side note, many cultures still consider a 14 year old the right age for marriage....as these cultures blend in with our society, it is harder to enforce our laws...

Mike, Honestly, I can no longer actually read through your posts....they give me a pain in my eyes. But running your post through Word, I only found 2 errors. Not bad! It's not the grammar that keeps me away, though. It is the terrible word choice, the inability to make a concise statement - using as few words as possible, and your condescending attitude, to name a few. If correcting your post will give you motivation to debate in proper form, well, that's too bad. Everyone can learn a thing or two about logical fallacy rules. I would never presume you were open to receiving spiritual insights from me, but the link provided is enlightening in its own way.

Stephen's Guide - fallacies Mike, Here is a link that may help you in constructing VALID arguments... It seems posters are often telling you why your posts are without merit...I'd ask you to play by the rules, but clearly the rules are not important to you. Have you ever read the grammar books I proposed? Time to write like an adult!

Roy, If I'm not mistaken, you would have read a transcript of an statement read to the Corps in 1986/87 (?) called Passing of the Patriarch or POP as it is now refered... CG didn't turn it into a book. His books are a separate issue...

Still, I didn't feel picked on...and I didn't even think Rascal was refering to me...especially the liked and respected part. If you were, Rascal, thanks...made my day! I used pagans only because there was an excellent thread about it on the open forum...While I am (and others here)interested in paganism as explained in that thread I am also enamored with eastern thought....but I am not anything that can be roped in under one label...except maybe - terminal student. Peace!

I would love to find a cult that teaches what I am learning. It would be nice to have a support group like GSC but one that doesn't dismiss you for, not just being different, but being really different. When no doctrine is in stone and truth and lies don't exist....what is real or true to you is your reality, and what is real or true to me is mine. We are both living in truth...our own self made truth... I have no teacher, but everyone teaches me. and it doesn't hurt when they say freak, idiot or unlearned. I say thank you. I know more than I ever did before and at the same time remember I know nothing at all... The minute I am convinced of a truth, a prejudice, or a judgement....I meet the acception to the rule...I meet the person so damaged by life that wrong choices seemed the right choices for them and I have compassion. The only thing I know for sure is love... To quote my friend, Todd: "And the best thing I am finding on my path is...no carnal church. No carnal obligations to prove anything or be pressured to convert anyone. Total freedom in remaining more-or-less anonymous, and practicing random acts of kindness." There is no catagory for me and I feel free!

Hey,what about us pagans?!? ;)-->

I do not believe VPW died destitute. After every other way he manipulated the bible to his advantage and personal agenda, I would assume, financially, he got plenty. Personally, I would not contribute....I have my own family members to think of first. Why are you asking?

really? so when Dr. ripped you up one side and down the other in front of your peers...you loved those words? Can you quote them for us now, Mike? I mean if you loved them and him so much, they should be fresh in your memory. God loves me with only pure love. He will not belittle me or hurt me. I do not love the words of those who do not build me up, but I love many who are incapable to do otherwise...with their words...

My other brother Daryl, I believe Romans talks about folks who knew God...but recreated him using doctrine and foolishness...and using Him to promote a personal agenda... I don't see how that pretains to you...I do see some of the behaviors that come from this being those who love to debate, whisper, malign, covet, despise and are prideful... I don't know anyone who spent time in TWI who is not guilty of these! How do you teach God is love period and add a "BUT"...to that and not be guilty of vain imaginations? It is so easy to point a finger at homosexuality. It enables us to not take the mote out of the eye of, the oh so many of, us who constantly fall in the catagories listed in 29-31...like UNMERCIFUL! If I can keep the spotlight on you - no one is looking at me! I know many and have myself been guilty of putting love relationships before God...praying for someone to love me...it sure wasn't natural affection and it was lust...BUT hey, it was okay because it was hetero! Dishonoring our bodies and changing the natural use does not mean homosexuality. I think the natural use of a womans body has more to do with babies...to use sex, to dishonor yourself as a woman is to give it with the expectation that love will return... As far as men...I tend to believe it is in the same vein...and those of us who have been guilty in this realm need healing because it is very sad to not have greater honor and love for oneself. God help us all... [This message was edited by karmicdebt on January 13, 2004 at 18:02.]

Jesus taught us clearly how to do this, but the key to understanding it...if it is to be understood is to read what he is quoted as saying. If you read it through TWI colored glasses it will give a different meaning. If you read it with any preconceived ideas of it's interpretation you will only understand that interpretation. To read it again for the first time...to consider the reality of what is written to who he was talking to at the time...can possibly strip away nearly all you were taught... Oh, to be lost and confused! A glorious day. To know nothing and yet be completely content in God's love. No judgement no rules only love...is it possible with all the brain functions we use? or is a lobotomy required? If we follow the commandment to love God...can we continue to pray for anything but "thy will be done?" How many times have we prayed for something we so desired, convincing ourselves it would somehow benefit our "walk" with God, only to find it became a hinderance down the road? Any specific prayer for anything thing, usually material...sometimes for God to work in another, IS FOLLY! To suggest that you know what you need better than God to give you what you need in lessons, experiences, abundance or lack is not keeping the first commandment. To love God with all your heart, etc....also requires you to trust God with all your heart, etc. Sometimes I so desire to return to the days of believing = receiving....to the I'm God's best and I deserve God's best...but, I can not....for I have put away the childish things of Santa, and God's cookie jar and all the magic poured into to a God out there, set on His throne to make my life a fairy tale come true.... and you know what? Even when it's bad...it's good... Jesus said....the kingdom of God is within you...I can't give you the map to that place...it is your journey...no book can give you the map...books may give you things to look for on the way, but ultimately it is God who will lead you home... Love God...love others....all you need is love! AND GUTS!