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"If it is committed in the name of God or country, there is no crime so heinous that the public will not forgive it."~ Tom Robbins

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"Apollo 13" "Redrum, Redrum!"

Toy Story (The last movie was the Princess Bride) "Show me the money!"

Okay, well I give up then. The movie was Rain Man. I'll pass it on to someone else.

It's from "Slap Shot" Perhaps this line from a different movie will be better: "K-Mart sucks!"

The "cure" comes in bits and pieces. Sometimes it's through kindness and understanding. Other times it's through a swift kick to the mental derriere. Think of it like a puzzle. The pieces can all be there, spread out on the table. One day you get a few pieces to fit. Other days you get all the mountain done. You have to be looking and trying to solve the problem - but the work pays off and eventually you get a complete, whole picture. Who's to say when and where and how that moment of epiphany will come? People aren't cake mixes. You can't simply add milk and stir. Like Crystalclearblue said, there are some times that a one-on-one "get over it already" is appropriate and necessary... and most of all HELPFUL. The timing of those words is critical. They cannot be rattled off flippantly. There are times that someone has properly chosen to tell me to get over something and move on with my life. Those times have helped my immensely. The words always came from someone who had my best interest at heart and not just that they were tired of hearing me. When I stop bucking and listen - then I really find the areas where I am actually working against myself. Oh well... another $.02 to add to the pot.

It's Internet Lightbearers! Perhaps S'09's got a week to convert us. Maybe the Cyclops didn't want horse stall cleaners - but he sure was fond of dog trainers, the dung they flung, and the positions he could get them in. But I've heard that dog doesn't taste as good as horse or beef.

OP? What's that?

Absolutely correct. I can disagree with someone and still not hate them.

OH man! What an invitation! Quit whimping then, and call. I'm all for a good food fight. I won't waste good seafood tho. Maybe some of that stuff the folks down here call "comfort food" would be better ammo. Your PM box seems to be full. PM me when you get the chance.

Geisha, you know as well as I do that "the word" is what vp and the cornfield cult (and now the Mississippi mudhole cult) claim is their inside track to gawd awlmighty. That and SIT... "Leaving the word" is code for, "you left us...*sniff-sniff* you don't love us anymore - SCREW YOU! You're all gonna go to hell!' It's overly self-obsessed, except in this case it's a whole group of folks and not just one individual.

Post anyway you please. I don't recall saying you're embarrassing yourself. I don't want you to alter anything on my account. I do, however recall a proverb about people who speak their whole mind. When did you start believing that someone wanted to invalidate your opinions? Just how is that done, anyhow? Opinions fly back and forth rather quickly here. The comments you're referring to happened this morning - time and comments have come and gone since then. You felt like they needed to be brought up again. That's your right. It's also my right to answer you if you address me. When would you like this to end?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_qFHKZRFqg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxCA8hMa7WU&feature=related Here are two scenes from the movie "Secondhand Lions." It's a great movie. It's worth watching the whole movie, but basically in these two scenes the same guy that gives the punk kids an attitude adjustment then invites them to his home, feeds them and gives them some instruction in manners and life in general. Enjoy. I figure if a bunch of older adults were sitting around talking and some kid came into the room strutting his stuff - he'd get an instruction in manners and it might be forceful. Then someone would take him aside and buy him a beer.

Rascal - I'm surprised that after all this time you still lead with your chin. Why not lighten up and see humor when it's right in front of you. Notice this post: Sometimes fun and banter can lighten a conversation, especially a conversation that is essentially a bunch of folks sitting around and waiting on someone to come answer questions he invited. Linda - I repeat - the kid knew what he was walking into. Feel like? Good lord! This is the internet, not the Spanish Inquisition. There are no torture chambers here (though I think GT should consider installing some ;) ) If someone doesn't like what is written they can get up from the computer and live life. If you'll look closely at the thread - only about 2 1/2 pages have been devoted to questions. The rest of the posts have been us discussing how we discuss, questions, and how we don't always get along. The kid knew the job was dangerous when he took it.

He's revealed his name. So he knew what he was walking into. He also expected disagreement and said he didn't mind it. Here it is, folks. He didn't want to fight, he wanted to keep things respectful and decent. He wanted to defend v2p2.. I won't repeat the threat - he apologized for that faux pas. *added - He did show his near worship of v2p2 and was willing to fight over defending the guy.

You know... when I was 22 I was enthusiastic. I went in the worst parts of town and witnessed. BUT I never threatened anyone. I never defended vp as if he were some diamond-studded-gawd-on-a-stick. It never even crossed my mind to consider insults about twi, der victoid, gawd, geezus, or pfal as FIGHTING WORDS. And if I recall correctly, we were taught to behave ourselves with dignity 'so the ministry be not blamed.' We were supposed to have some class. All that is beside the point that I was taught better by my parents. So what does this say about the 'present truth' being sown in Mississippi? Nothing good I'd say.

Let's see - the thread is now nearly 100 posts long... and only ten or so have been from from the thread starter. Most of the posts (initially) were asking questions and telling the young lad to be polite, along with some welcomes. The last page or two has been all of us discussing "stuff." Now we've stopped talking to him, and about him, and we're talking to each other about ourselves. I still think there was a level of dishonesty in how the thread was started. Time will tell. I'll read it again - but I just don't view this thread as being threatening to someone. If he's as tough as he claims, then he'll take it as well as he dished it out.

Okay. Then I stand corrected. I was thinking about something I read a long time ago. An actress was taking lessons from Chuck Norris (don't laugh!) and she insisted that he spar with her in an alley while she was in heels. Her thinking was that she'd never really need to defend herself while she was in a ghee and barefooted. She wanted him to all out fight with her - so that she could learn how to really defend herself in a real fight. My ignorance of the art shows... I still think a lot of bait has been thrown out on this thread...

Rascal - let's look at this for a moment... A lot of questions have been posed - which S-'09 asked for. Some folks swatted him for asking for respect while he gave none out, Granted, Sower explained that and apologized. But ya' gotta admit that's one heck of a way to enter a crowd - and not a good way. I'll give him lack of wisdom because of his youth. But he did apologize - something I'm still deciding came from him or his leaders. And... now that I think of it... his first post said he'd answer questions... then eventually he posted that he was working 60-70 hours a week. What? He didn't know that he'd be busy when he first made the invitation? I'm thinking that something doesn't smell quite right with this thread... As to how folks are responding... You've posted that you take karate. Think about this for a second, if you will. If you were in a sparring match with a young buck, would you soft touch him or her? The way I see it, S-'09 was asking to spar in his first post. I'd like to see him answer some or all of the questions on this thread. More importantly, I'd like to see the thinking process behind the answers. I just happen to think that the point of this thread was never intended to inform us. I have no delusions that S-'09 will be "rescued" from his cult. He didn't come here to find out more - that's our gig. I'm not of a mind to project my intentions onto this young man. He didn't come here as some lost soul looking for answers. He came here with the intent of telling us how it is - and even that hasn't panned out too well. Now - for a page or two or even three - we're waiting. I'm thinking that if he doesn't answer soon, that the point was to see what fur could fly around here among us. I'm going to sit back and wait. I'm still skeptical as whether or not answers are really forthcoming.

I dunno... S-'09 came here and threw some chum in the water. He entered a site filled with folks the same age as his mother and was combative. Even though he apologized later, he still started his thread in an antagonistic fashion. I understand enthusiasm, but rudeness? I was his age 30 years ago. As a responsible adult, shouldn't I (and others) be helping him learn from our mistakes? Would your kids walk up to adult strangers and start flinging around insults and threats? I doubt it. I get impetuousness, but that doesn't make it right. And after all, part of the reason we post here at GSC is so that people can come here and read and avoid the mistakes we made thirty years ago.

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I think the questions here will fall into two categories: 1. How "connected" to twi and pfal is the group sponsoring S.O.W.E.R.S.? Is vp the elder talked about as if he were some kind of patriarch? Are his wrong-doings acknowledged? The plagiarism. The drunkeness. The abuse. It doesn't matter how old v2p2 was when his gramps died. v2's dad was an adult and he knew full well what was going on in that cornfield. How much "family history" does the young grasshopper know? If der Victoid is being set up as some sort of great guy - that would speak of deep-seated dishonesty. It sure seems like v2p2 is being used because of his name. 2. What are the details of the program you just completed? So many of us here saw abuse in twi - that we keep hearing playing in our heads. <===== click the link - it's been sanitized of all debbil spurts!Good luck answering these questions - hopefully the answers you give us will also help you.