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i miss you already todd i wish i'd been up to seeing you love always and forever clay

thanks for that easy to get narrow minded when there are so many minds

I hope with you and even when we may be in different thoughts, Or anyone else, somehow it all comes together eventually.... and separates again yet truly there is One Lord I believe it...seen it....live by it....

And could such a chance meeting of thought (though i don't believe in chance as un foreseen) Be an actualoccurence that can, has and will happen and continue to happen either by thinking the same thoughts either spiritual or otherwise-if their is anotherwise could this be would could sprout into a fellowship with God and Hios son via ourselves, made in the image of God a mirror of the Living Universe inside for no 'man' can see God and live So what must see God Something must die-transform, change into that which is pure for the blessed are the pure in heart for they shall SEE God Did Jesus lie Can we be pure in heart Sure, many are mislead, but there is no mistaking the Word of Life LIVING IN YOUR FLESH not a book or preacher or trickery with words but something that really happens as it did with Jesus as it did with Peter and the eleven and the about three thousand as it it did with Paul Did it stop there Did the Word of Life turn into a book or living epistles of the HEART Hidden Wholeness the Hidden man of the Heart the Son of Man more diverse then ever imagined or can be the Glory that shall be revealed in us God how i love that verse does it stop after we put off this flesh or does it continue to be revealed un stoppable, un hindered by that which we see with our eyes and hear with our ears but new ears and new eyes Could this possibly be done Now? To see with new eyes and hear with new ears that which has been is now and will be forever Jesus thought so.... Yes a mighty big claim but it starts with a word and grows into 2 3 and more The most underestamated part of man Christ

if we could latch on to one speck of openness and communication that agrees in our minds then this is the beginning of a birth of toungues that is much needed and much wanted as we live with millions yet are quite alone if that could happen and not let the 'devil' take it out of our minds then truly we are sowing in good ground and right wrong will come to pass it's the honest heart, the loving heart that wants to give and see and yes take with out taking give without really giving anything receive that which is already ours -ours- it takes more then one in this life and i do believe the next to have this oneness these scattered hearts, thoughts, emotions, feelings all held in our hands as well as others why can't we just all get along- so they say dream on. there is more to it then getting along a much greater balance of love, communication, giving, taking to view many views is a gift to see from anothers perspective without getting upset is witnessing in a way-a great way one that has been practiced from the first Word

So what's up wordwolf, You got some input. wassup?

Didn't upset me Sunesis. And it's funny how this poetry or flowery language delivers such a message that it scares the crap out of some. God will never leave you or forsake you. At some point either now or after we die, this outer shell will change and the inside will be out. And Christ Jesus will still be there too. When we see what this 'devil' is we will have a good laugh. Remember he became sin for us. He has already fixed the problem. The rest is an illusion.

a fundamentalist view or a view 3And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. 4And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. Present Tense 5And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. How many people are in the wilderness? who is the Devil talking about? 7If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. Worshipo ME! Don't be selfless, think of yourself. Think of what you can gain by worshipping yourself! 8And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Still only one person here. 9And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence: 10For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: 11And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. Show me your miracles, you are not the Son of God, you can't do it like it is written. 12And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Damn straight, get off my back you selfish ego, prideful SELF> God the Father of Lights lives in me. His will will I do not mine. 13And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season. John 14 30Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me. Defeated 31But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence. Jesus burned the 'devil' out. Because of 'every word of God' in his heart. The only way the devil could do anything then was through other people. And of course it wasn't this intense all the time. Like that movie. 'LIAR LIAR'. He kicked his own foot. The servant of God, not making God his servant.

thanks sir g, asleep and shadow boxing at times my self getting better at what lurks in the shadows and it ain't just the devil, although he,it,that, is usually upfront not many live with their heart open enough to see for themselves I'm no exception of course. Still hide behind a few shadows some...hate it...

Did I say I dislike Jehovah? And the truth as it was originally taught? hahahahaha Gimme a break fella. When it gets 'originally' taught to you, by the Lord Jesus Christ and those that speak the language of the Spirit, we could possibly really talk.

You assume a lot about what i believe. btw, at least you didn't say Jehovah in that post. unless I missed it oops yeah i did, saw it

you miss a lot of things allan not my fault

Yes, and there was a war in heaven... 1And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered. 3And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. 4And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. 5And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. 7If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. 8And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 9And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence: 10For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: 11And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 12And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 13And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season. How many people were in the wilderness? Chapter 12 1And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 2And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. 3And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. 5And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. 6And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. 7And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. The Woman is the Spirit.

Ephesians2:4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) 6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. It"s already done. Been done for quite a while. Don't have to close my eyes and play around with brain games.

Jesus said I and my Father are one. Did the Father die also? Are you limited to what many say is future? God changes not. Jesus Christ the same yesterday and forever. Begs the question of how limited is this God and Jesus Christ? If you want to continue with the 'Jehovah' name. Here's some interesting stuff. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah

right click the address bar with the clip and click copy then in your post right click and click paste http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...mp;#entry272715

So no real answer, just relating experience that is subject to interpetation, only by you at this point. Dieing and death and ressurection is spoken of a lot from Matthew on. And quite a bit in the old testament too. If we died with Christ and he is still alive then who are the dead? If we rose up with Christ then what does dead mean now. And is it possible that dead and die can have more then one meaning?

And what does it mean to die? The rest of your questions, that you have answered yourself is based on this mostly. So it would have to be a better enlightenment then you are offering at this point.

Thanks GT, Sounds like I'll stick with IE6 for a while. This P3 don't like that .net stuff.

10Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: 11Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 12Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into. 13Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; 14As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: 15But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. 17And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear: 18Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. 22Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: 23Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 24For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: 25But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you. Apparently 'Jehovah' could not do what Christ did.

What is that all about? If I install it it slows down my comp. Take it out and back up to speed. Anyone know what purpose it serves? Seems to be something about developing programs or something.

KJV: Re 1:8 8I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. KJV: Re 1:11 11Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. KJV: Re 21:6 6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. KJV: Re 22:13 13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

I am Alpha an Omega, the first and last without beginning and without end. Without Father or Mother a priest forever after the order of Melchisedec. Neither having beginning of days nor end of life. 13For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself, 14Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee. 15And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise. 16For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife. 17Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath: 18That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us: 19Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil; 20Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. Chapter 7 1For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; 2To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; 3Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. 4Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils. 5And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: 6But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises. 7And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better. 8And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth. 9And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. 10For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him. 11If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 12For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. 13For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar. 14For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. 15And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, 16Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. 17For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. 18For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. 19For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God. 20And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest: 21(For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:) 22By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. 23And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death: 24But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. 25Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. 26For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; 27Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people’s: for this he did once, when he offered up himself. 28For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

the end is experienced by the individual and it's another beginning world events have little to do with it

how about the names of christ? so much goiven to 'jehoveh' who gave?