CONNERRON

Hello: Hope you get this! You will find that some of the ole boys are actually billionares, and will war at the first word to expose their daqmnable secrets. They have had connections way up in the FBI, Congress, Courts, and their vile lawyers Baker and Hostetler in Clevland are ole pros at defending them and playing dirty. The best I have done is to get some of their friends to come out after me, and I have lost most every round. Even when they have admitted crimes in court, there is no one that will charge them. In the church Oral Roberts left when Craig was picked insted of him and his group and went on with his own ministry, I have seen the old home movies of him, waaaaaaaaay back. Based on this, there are a pile of secrets there, and the COC; COG; Baptist; and all sorts will never do more than teach against the things they stand for. Lastly they are all viscious, and if I hadn't had some good friends, I would have gotten more that I did over exposing the group sex, abuses, crimes about their actual ordination, and there is a list ten feet long. Any tme anyone wants to find a great attorney, and clean house at TWI, I will contribute, and testify, but remember, the estimater I got was a retainer of $200,000 to start, and one's like Vince Mc Fadden, and Martindale, are not stable, and are viscious. Thanks for your time, RonConner

I ALWAYS WONDERED WHAT HAPPENED TO THE PERSONS I WAS AQUAINTED WITH AND ENDED UP BEING SUCH A HORRID MESS, I ALWAYS FIGURED THEY BECAME EXECUTIVES LIKE MC FADDEN. THERE WAS LOU GUIGOU AND HIS WIFE TERESSA; KENNETH WIDNER AND JO ANNE; TABATHA TORRES; TENLEY BOWLES; PEYTON FOOSE; BRYAN CARPENTER; AND THERE USED TO BE LIKE 150 MEMBERS JUST AROUND THE CHARLOTTTE, NC AREA? CONNERRON

Hi; I am urgently trying to locate Stokely Rose, a former leader from Trinidad. There were some problems about his daughter, and I had some more information about that. If you know him ask him to contact me here, or connerronald@hotmail.com . Thanks, connerron

Hello and God Bless You: What is The Way International, go get a video of Children of the Corn, watch it enough times to really get the an understanding of the plot and parallels. It really is a good analogy. God Bless you, and does the word seducer mean anything to you? connerron

Hello and God Bless You: I just wanted to ask, how can you be sued for using something from the Bible, or that was plagerized already? most every work of TWI was one of the two????? Thnaks, connerron

Greetings and God bless you; Excellent disertation, **** four stars!. Thanks, connerron

GREETINGS; You are'nt talking about Bob Moynihan are you? The old pimp of the Peyton Foose and whoever they could get her with days are you? He would fit the part for sure, and politician, a vulgar mouthed old vermin that demands his way into anywhere he chooses, uses the f word more than Craig ever did, and lies even when he does'nt have to. He is also a viscious, and vile reprobate of a man, who I would'nt trust a female dog around, and maybe not a male; and money mercinary to the nth degree. He bragged about his rich family, and how they gave all the belongings for their home, and claimed it as a $200,000 write off. And Dotty his wife, if not a L. she missed a great chance, or maybe just both ways. She is a professional trerapist that would manipulate anything and anyone for any way it would benifit them. They were the ones who fanatic any thing they want, and anyone in there way is in danger of attack. He and Vince Mc Fadden go back 20 years , and are a perfect team, whores, bastards, and sob's. And no one is a friend or safe, the word Mamba fits them wel, (black), with the arts they practice. I speak from first hand experience. The man would revive the old secret society gestapo days, under his hisss and rule, as would Mc Fadden. They are worse than Craig ever was, thats because they are both cowards and liars so they are always on the offensive to keep the upper hand, and domination. Socially, and intelligence wise he's good, but he could be a Hitler, given ways to attain it,and has no reguard to anything honest, it's like raidoactive to him, he hates anything but deviance. And wii keep a life long adversary position to think he got someone, when in fact he just educates them to what a vile , and slithering man he is. Keep your children close to you. God help any, connerron

Hi , and God Bless you: I am not surprised that it creaped you out , I had several episodes with that very thing, and having been a personal friend of Donald Wierwille, and being close to Donna Martindale was probably the only way that i avoided the worst of the confrontations. The sick truth is that you rise up by blind observation of their persons, and blind obedience to their intentions; deny one and you have a confrontation, make it stand and you have an enemy. I had the occassion to refuse to go along with the implied intent of several of the titled ones, and sure enough I was taken out to lunch by a mutual friend, and talked to about the fact that I was just going to have to learn to comprimise and go with what the leaders wanted if I wanted to get along. I reminded hime that I had heard this swine mess a long time ago , and more than once, and it still was'nt going to work. Not too long after that someone that was supposed to be someone blatently wanted time with my fiance, and she started to try to infer that i was just going to have to go along with it. After letting him know there was no way, and stopping her from apologizing to the assanine filth, i started to get into situation after situation. I have said before , and i say again , when you find out whats really going on, they are a satanistic clanship, with mafia and worse tactics of indoctrinations, and rulership. They are potentialy dangerous, and all the upper level it there by doing what is necessary to get there, and to stay there. Both men and women do what ever they have to do to keep their rise to power or their position, for that they all have privlidge, money. power, and any thet can intimidate to serve whatever they want in impunity. They also have a code of death for those denying and defying them. Wonder why you felt funny around them, it probably was'nt your fault. God Bless you, connerron

Hello; About the way child abuse, i had a short comment. The Way was convicted in North Carolina of child abuse for various reasons. This started about a two year war of TWI and North Carolina, not even on argument of issues, but that "Religious Freedom", and other arguments gave them the right to do anything they chose to their children, and unless they were seriously injured etc. , they would fight them to the death about it. They evidently spent millions, and attacked NC as a group, for the whole time , even a paper a day till the courts could not handle it any more and dismissed the charges. The prosecuter said she had never seen a vile , and rotten mess like them in her life, or a more diabolical fighting filth, damanding the right to program by abuse, and or deprevation or what ever means it took for their children to be WAY children in training, and keep the secrets of the group. The level or their blatent abomination, and their corruption and coersion of the system here in NC is ledgendary. But thats the ways of TWI , you ever come against them in anything, they mean to win , and hurt you bad enough that you never want to do it again at the least, their preference is to see you die, or destroyed for you abominable arrogance to oppose THE HOLY MAN OF GOD , in any matter. Then, overturn him!! you'll fight till one dies. Thank you,GodBless You, connerron

Hi I just wanted to add one comment to the how to add members catagory. They could always go back to their standard method that many of us got hooked by, and start dating all their witness prospects, and the ones that took the class and stuck with it all got sex whenever they were next up one the rotation. Althought there were the occassions that some WOW leaders got kinda wasted , and took care of more than one at a time. This also requires a renewed mind to keep this life style all going and not let things like the scripture, laws, or human considerations get in there and cause conflict.

Hi Ryan: I'm Ron , and I've been all the way down that road with a hard core TWI girl , and i can tell you outright it does not get better with them , it gets worse, especially if they are in that fanatic mode of wanting to get back with them. Despite how much you think you might care for this person, the woman I was with there, hid her whole real life, and their real activitys from me to the very bitter end. They have some of the sickest messes you can ever have to face; and if you get into the wrong situation you will have violence, and an ongoing war for years. They never let go , or let up unless you conceed to their vile mess , and agree to what the higherarchy wants. Short of that you have stoneheaded , rotten liars, that, like their attorney, Mr. S*** ,will go after you any obsurd way they think of. I caught up with the fact that the leaders demand that you "share" your partner at their demand, and the war starts when you refuse them their way in anything. Then when it happens to be someone that "she" really wants , you have the worst mess you can ever want , not be be obsene , but it's like caging a dog in heat, and having the males pace around and snarl, one wrong move and it's a riot, and someone's going to get hurt. After the third confrontation , she and Martindale decided I was never going to "see the glory of their bless ways and sharing" , and I was informed that he had told her to do what ever she needed to to deal with me, and move on , and he'd back here on what ever she did. So , still wearing her ring , she went right on out for three more one nighters, and almost got me into life and death fights till I finally threw the whole thing with her down and walked away. She cryed for three days, then on to anyone and everyone that she though could be fun, then tried the WayCorps. Later I found out all the truth of all the filthy mess of even three some's with her witness prospects on her WOW year that they covered up , and dozenes literally , "thats just considered being a blessing to the leaders", and your "friends". That , the real extent of her alhol and drugs, and all the various partners. She went on a binge for two years through our local areas that astounded and revolted party animals, and bikers. And the whole time , V*** M**** was right there for her in everything. Later I also saw her car at his home at 3:30 in the morning , after hearing about them out together. Yep, I finally had to check, and until I caught her spending the night there while V****'s wife was gone to headquarters for weeks at a time, I just could not get my head to believe it. Then if they get exposed in something, you've got a sick mess for ever, or until you jail them , or just hospitalize them as standard practice, they are just a sick, arrogant , and mind programed mess. In closing, if you did'nt believe in spirits and possesion before, be very carefull or they will educate you! They will look away for a second , and when they look back at you, all you see are big black eyes, and a face like what it used to be , but not really them anymore. After P**** got back with them , she got into a fight in a club one night, over a pool game, and six grown men could not control her. She threw them off like nothing and almost killed a big lesbian softball player that was there , over her little girlfriend. They get wierd, and dangerous in a blink of an eye. The group will also fight like a union, so if one is after you , then all their "faithfull" will be. Please be carefull, I have not even told the worst parts. God Bless and help you, connerron

Hello: I have no idea whether you are or are'nt homosexual, and the bible is so clear on that , that it even notes it as a punnishment for other sin in Rom ch 1. The matter here is TWI , and it's insane program . The high sacred Dr. and all holy fall down before Craig, and the if the Pope deserves it , why then Craig ............... for he's far more holy!! ; this mess and their I decerned a homo spirit around him, so obviously he's convicted by "carrying it" , "he had to do something to get that thing", so he's guilty!! . That is the shovel after shovel of manauer that should have stayed at the farm's barn. Strangely enough Craig and others taught about , going to satan as the servant of the Man of God, (based on a corruption of Luke 10.19), and having him "confess immutable spirits onto persons with defiance of rebuke except by the approval of the original Man of God who confessed it done as their convicting , reproof, or curse to suffer at his "holy hand"), then supposedly the "high called" can discern the spirits and they are justified in convicting whoever of their sin/crime they are accused of. They even had the position that over time this would " proove the Man of God the true", by wearing on the preson to turn them to whatever sinfull thing they had envoked upon the person(s). TWI is a sly and evil thing from it's structure out , if you look at the CYA way that it was put together with all the Twigs as segregated units , and the Cardinal Sin of twig hopping, all this is for control, and so if one bunch got caught in some satanist / criminal activity, they could swear the headquarters knew nothing, and cut and run defend them selves. From begining to end TWI is a satanic structured, criminal minded mess as bad as the secret society in the horrible Rosemary's Baby movie of the 60's. Dr. Wierwille when he knew he was going to die, evidently got clear for a moment , and is remembered as saying: " Craig , this thing is fine for some teaching, fun , and making money , but if it turns into a religion , SHUT IT DOWN AS FAST AS YOU CAN, CAUSE YOU KNOW WHERE IT"S GOING"; and he was'nt refering to heaven. He admitted it was never considered to be a holy thing. Donald told me they set up two parts, one was a business corporation with Craig, and one was ministry with him, and one was for profit and the other supposedly for God. But from the start everything was structured by lawyers to assume a defense when they got caught at something. The people they kept were those they could control, and would willingly sin for them , or even harm themselves on command. How sick is this? And Craig's / TWI"S accusings should mean something? God Bless and thanks, for your time, connerron

Hello: Oh yea it exists, and more! , their crazy "going to satan as the man of gods servant to impose curses , and punnishments on those Craig or someone could'nt get at, or bow down with this "THATS RIGH, AND HUH,HUH! ." THE DR'S THREE DAY "," DEATH , HELL , AND RISEN AGAIN", over three days, and then risen again if the Man of God sees repentence in you , other wise dare you rise back from it. Ole WayCorps hard cases with their latter state, and old maning of persons, and never forget, "one way or another get what ever it is , by faithfull men or spirits , but that the holy Man of God get his way always and get away with all things, for he is too important to the cause" , or the "embracement curse for going out of the household" to get help to defend your self etc. . Thanks, anf God bless you, connerron

Hello: The Way word issue was always a problem for me, then i finally figured out that was how the old timers knew who you were a follower of, and more than that , i believe that is how the spirit influence teaches persons to speak a special language that corresponds to they filthy spirit operations, and curses. They also spoke in their own guile, and every one of them that had "sold out" started that Way word mess, and became devout liars. Remember "speak only the believing, never give up the truth", a law of the Way Corps, it was repeated to me over, and over. Remember their filth of, latter state worse than the first; old manning; power of The Holy Man of God's Proofin ; seeking the feet of Man of God ; HUH HUH!; squaling THATS RIGHT! ; all of them with their effigy of men, and refernce to the spirits. It was all ego feeding too, for Wierwille, Craig, Wayne Clapp, or some sold out. God Bless you, connerron

Hello; At one point Craig tried to convince the rest of the headquarters that the "federallies" were "at the door", and that he should take the finances and go underground till there was an all clear sounded by I guess the attorneys. much to his outrage they stopped him in the middle of it , but I don't know if that was after he got away with good part or what. There was the comment about he having to return what was already moved. God Bless, connerron

Hello; I understand that HA died. And now i would say that story about the man wanting Jesus to just tell his familt so they would'nt end up there could fit? The question , is not was this a Way Corps fringe benifit, it should be how many were you allowed at one time? They acceped every favor they could beg, borrow, or steal and coerce. God Bless, connerron

Hello: For everyone thinking about this initiation , I was approached with worse things than any of that and refused them, but remember Wierwille was hearing "THE AUDIBLE VOICE OF THE LORD", does this word association not make you think, A LORD OF SATAN, OR SATAN HIS SELF, is about the only one with the rank , and arrogance to do such things. In the O.T. the Chaldee used to hear as mystics from the spirits in "secret speech" , and I believe that Wierwille was either possesed by a major devil , with lots of helps, to "annoint" themselves onto persons at verious points, or he was a serious sick puppy, or both. Most people don't "come to that knid of power and wealth that fast , unless you're Abraham, Bill Gates, or demonicly assisted. And all the stories about ole Dr. , I would assume have truth to them, and so what do you think? Thanks, and God Bless you, connerron

Hello Everyone: About the leaders, lets not forget that Wierwille started all the mess, and not only accepted all of it for the gain in it, but trained others to. Some like Chris Gere had be arrested more than once for exposing himself, and public indescent eppisodes of mastrubation, but was always trying to get the young girls to send him their underwear; and it was years before Weirwille would even hear of and thing against him. Apparently it took a minor revolt to have him asked to leave after one of his arrests. Wierwille kept a string of the easy ones for his own amusement, and apparently ,(testified to in court and stood up ), had Ramona keep him a steady run of fresh meat. Then he got Craig into it , and taught the Way Corps to promote , even enforce the bless the Man of god policy as he desires , or just not expect anything in the Way Corps. Why do you think the Oath of Salt , because of ministry matters, don't be just silly, it was to shut up everyone, and make it well known , you don't ever speak against another Way Corps, no matter what they do. I think he and his mess will go into history as one of the most diabolic , capitalizing, racketeers , there has ever been in the christian movement. There is a group in CA trying to help persons hurt by them , especially during his day and Craig's , and they estimate 100,000 people severly harmed by them, and thats just the one's that will talk about it; some say 10 times that. He and Craig both subscribed to that filth , of you are'nt with me, then you nedd saving or , out'a my way, for I hurt ya mess, either they were going to be secret silent servants to them , or they were the enemy. The ones not on the list are V**Mc***, and J** R*****, they both were hand fed and trained by Craig and do things just like him. Vince especially it about as bad as any every was. And the rotten one that recruited me, did it all in the name of God, and Christ , I wonder where she found that scripture that approved her group sex and trail of men I caught her with, including Mc***? , I never could find it, but they swore it was all under "grace", of the Man of god! I guess thats why no one ever liked me asking about 1Cor ch 6, huh,huh! Thanks, for your time, connerron

HI BLISS; I CAN FEEL FOR EVERYONE THERE AND I FEEL FOR YOU , BUT I HAVE HAD TO RESIGN MY SELF TO THE FACT THAT JUST LIKE AND ABUSIVE MARRIAGE, OR AND ABUSIVE PARENT , THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE TWO SIDES; ONE A HATEFULL USING AND PROBABLY POSSESED SIDE, AND THE OTHER A KIND OF SICK BEATEN DOWN TYPE WHO THINKS THAT IS LOVE, WHILE THE WHOLE TIME THEY KNOW THE DIFFERNCE , AND JUST KEEP HOPING THAT SOMEDAY THERE WILL BE SOME KIND OF LOVE AVAILABLE. IT'S A SICKNESS ON BOTH SIDES, ON ONE THE DOMINATION IN AN ENGINEERED ENVIRONMENT , WITH CRIMINAL INTENT, THE OTHER A KIND OF PERSON THAT CONTINUES TO GO BACK INTO THAT MESS. THE OTHER PART IS THAT FOR BOTH THERE IS A PROVERBIAL POT OF GOLD FOR THEM. THE THOUGHT THAT YOU ARE GOING TO BE A WAY EXECUTIVE AND HAVE ALL THE PERKS INCLUDING FREE SEX, WHENEVER YOU WANT TO TAKE IT; AND THE CYCLE GOES ON "YOU JUST WAIT TILL I'M A LIMB LEADER OR MARRIED TO ONE, AND YOU'RE STILL A TWIG LEADER , WHY I'LL ........., ALL THE UNSPOKENS! THE PART THAT RIPS ME IS THE FACT THAT AS LONG AS THEY ARE GOING ON , THEY JUST LIVE IN RICHES, AND IMPUNITY THROUGH THEIR CONNECTIONS. AND THEY JUST GO ONE FINDING MORE PERSONS WANTING GOD , AND FINDING A PIT OF SNAKES. ONE SUGGESTION IS TO WRITE YOUR CONGRESSPERSON, OR THE AUGLAUISE (SP) COUNTY OHIO SOLICITOR'S OFFICE , NOTE SOME OF THE ABUSES, AND IF EVEN THE MEMBERSHIP OF THIS WEBSITE WOULD DO IT, WITH THE NEW SEX OFFENDER'S LAW IN OHIO, AND FEDERAL LAWS, TWI WOULD AT LEAST BE OBSERVED TO THE POINT THAT THEY WOULD EITHER RUN RIGHT OR GET OUT. AND MAYBE THE FEW ROTTEN AT THE TOP WOULDN'T JUST GRAB THE MONEY AND RUN WHEN THINGS GO DOWN. GOD BLESS YOU, CONNERRON

Hello: The cost of the Way Corps !!? Your brain, your soul, your wife , and all above your needs of finances opressed over to they , the glorified who preach!!

Hello: I heard the comment resign associated with LCM, and that is almost a joke. I was quoted again and again about how Dr. taught him to loosen up and have some fun, thats all it was anyway. He is the one that told my fiance to go ahead on her binge , and he's cover anything she did. I am sure there was going to be a price for that , but she as i had to find out after the fact, she would'nt have cared anyway, she was one of their appliances , and i was just too stupid to actually look at the reallity of it. Martindale and all their crowd was a get your way , and get away with it however you have to , thats why he could stand up in from 15,000 people and bragg about drining a young girl to kill herself after walking out on her WayCorps pledge , and laughing about "thats what you get for backing out on your commitment", and it in reality also meant he was happy they had killed her , and bragged about her being an example of "what his god would do for backing out on them". Martindale and his crowd carried on campaigns to ruin people, the threaten their lif and intimidate them, and to ruin their business's , and all you had to do was tell him no when he wanted it to be yes, or threaten one of their sacred codes or ordinences, and the God help you. Craig was also one of them, haveing a private mental hospital that people disappeared to , until they convinced the "authoritys" that they had renewed their mind , and been healed of their problems, like disobeying a leader, then refusing to acknowledge spirit possession to do such a thing. WOW's used to go away for that , and others for refusing to conform to Way ways. They were obvisiously disturbed and needed time to heal , otherwise they would have never opposed a Holy Man of god!!! You know all things against the Holy Man of god is sin !!! so you must be sick, or possesed???? Wierwille found a way to get rich, and have an ongoing string of women, and about anything else like getting his way with officials , even to trying to get to the president of the Uniter States, and his consideration about becoming a seperate state , ruled by the Man of god , setting on the throne he had, wearing his crown and robe, carrying his septer. The man was corrupt past what anyone thought, and possibly sick his self. Thanks for your time, connerron Hello: I heard the comment resign associated with LCM, and that is almost a joke. It was quoted again and again about how Dr. taught him to loosen up and have some fun, thats all it was anyway. He is the one that told my fiance to go ahead on her binge , and he's cover anything she did. I am sure there was going to be a price for that , but she as i had to find out after the fact, she would'nt have cared anyway, she was one of their appliances , and i was just too stupid to actually look at the reallity of it. Martindale and all their crowd was a get your way , and get away with it however you have to , thats why he could stand up in from 15,000 people and bragg about drining a young girl to kill herself after walking out on her WayCorps pledge , and laughing about "thats what you get for backing out on your commitment", and it in reality also meant he was happy they had killed her , and bragged about her being an example of "what his god would do for backing out on them". Martindale and his crowd carried on campaigns to ruin people, the threaten their lif and intimidate them, and to ruin their business's , and all you had to do was tell him no when he wanted it to be yes, or threaten one of their sacred codes or ordinences, and the God help you. Craig was also one of them, haveing a private mental hospital that people disappeared to , until they convinced the "authoritys" that they had renewed their mind , and been healed of their problems, like disobeying a leader, then refusing to acknowledge spirit possession to do such a thing. WOW's used to go away for that , and others for refusing to conform to Way ways. They were obvisiously disturbed and needed time to heal , otherwise they would have never opposed a Holy Man of god!!! You know all things against the Holy Man of god is sin !!! so you must be sick, or possesed???? Wierwille found a way to get rich, and have an ongoing string of women, and about anything else like getting his way with officials , even to trying to get to the president of the Uniter States, and his consideration about becoming a seperate state , ruled by the Man of god , setting on the throne he had, wearing his crown and robe, carrying his septer. The man was corrupt past what anyone thought, and possibly sick his self. Thanks for your time, connerron

Hello: Have you never heard of the TWI law of praying that God would remove you feelings from you, and even remove your human traits that you might serve the Man of god better , and do his orders without hesitstion. Then that also applied to their recruitment through sex, and their swapping of partners, this is the level of sickness they were into. They are not just a little off the main stream. Thanks, for your time, connerron

Hi I'd like to make one othe rcomment while i'm thinking about it, There was a point that i asked the same thing ,WHAT IS THIS MESS ,AND WHAT ABOUT THE BLESSINGS? The smart mouthed answer of B*** M**** was " The blessing was the presence of the man of god , and the grant of prayer was his preaching, anything else just forget it". That sums TWI up as about the most conceited and warped con and cult going , outside of full satanism. They are as i have said before into nothing but their fanatic pyramid scheme of pomp, power, and gain to the top few. I sat there one night while L*** G**** , one of the Martindale family inlaws , fight with his wife almost to violence , over that fact that she had a peice of furniture that was too valuable/ important to sell and sent the money to Craig Martindale for the staunching of their funds. In nut case rage he ranted, "nothing is more important than the Man of god and his being provided for!!" To the point people wer going to leave the meeting so they could get violent in peace. and his wife had just got to the point of telling him off, and saying there was no argument , No! oh then it went off!! he would'nt be told NO when he was reprooving her into doing his intention. Finally two of us told him either back off it, or we were cancelling the meeting, just insensed that some thing was not going to be converted to cash and sent to headquarters. All in the programing of NOW IF YOU WERE AT HEADQUARTERS AND WANTED A PAY CHECK THEN WOULD"NT YOU WANT SOMEONE TO FIGHT LIKE THAT FOR YOU, get the idea??? Mind program every minute of every day, and you don't get with it you're out. Thanks, connerron

Hello: I'd like to add some of the vulgarity i've heard quoted concerning the Man Of God Efigy DEMANDS that went on,on,on, like , "What so ever pleaseth the Man Of God , servants him, and makes him gain , thats to be the prayer, and thats all; sacraficial lifestyle preachin jhesus thats all there is ta life" ; "all prayer is dern well gonna be sacraficial , and anyone gets more than his need, best be turned over to the Man Of God coffers ta fight the good fight" ' every morning the Way Corps Code of defendin your brother , and cursing all their sin as lookin back"; speak in a tongue what the spirit uttereth, dern well will, and dare ya contend it, don't care if it don't sound right ta you , you ain't elevated " ; all the rotten tumpulet of effigial spoue intentioned to idolize the higherarchy, and rip off anyone else.

Hello: I just thought i'd drop another note to say that you should not be concerned about the rotten position taken by those of TWI on any scripture, they are mindless , and fanatic about "selling" their dogma. They have no reguard to anything but that. Martindale and etc. made and absolute decree of the "Hand of Man of God to it that my prayers would go straight ot satan till i conceeded to their demands, and even mumbled myself to them to accept discipline for my offenses; AND if I refused that was just sin upon sin, as was every disobedience of the Man of God. Just a note to remind you that you're dealing with unstable people. Thanks, connerron