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CM,Are you saying that Jesus the man wasn't God but Christ the man is God?

WhiteDove, all it really takes is some common sense and honesty to explain VP's "absent Christ" teaching, and you've done just that.

You choose to only accentuate those practices that represented sin and the worst in people, because you want to degrade twi any which way you can.

I heard VP say that the time to teach about healing is not when a person is sick, but when a person is well.That indicated (to me) that one shouldn't knock someone over the head if they're sick. Same is true of believing. But still and all, I looked upon those admonitions of believing as challenges. "If I wasn't receiving the promises of God, perhaps it was my believing that was coming up short." It's not evil to suggest that one's believing isn't there, if one doesn't receive a promise from God. What do you expect a biblically-based group to say when God's promises are not received? God is a liar? The Word is untrue? Personally, I would rather believe that my believing is not perfect, or even falls short; than believe God's word is untrue. "It's me oh Lord"

Rascal and others, if you believe you have a better understanding of God and the scriptures than outside of your twi experience, that's great, and I'm all ears and will consider what you say. But I'm not swallowing the propaganda I'm reading about what twi supposedly taught. I know what twi taught, and still have the books.

Oh my lawdy, I can't believe I'm reading this. I haveta get my spiritual halitosis meter out for this one. Contrary to propaganda, we were taught in twi (PFAL to be exact) that it's available to believe on God's promises and that was the context believing was presented. What's available How to receive What to do with it Needs & wants parallel God's ability = God's willingness That formula does not tell God what to do. Rather, it is claiming what God says is already yours, via the written word. Even this isn't telling God what to do: Mar 11:24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive [them], and ye shall have [them]. It's having faith (believing) that God will bring to pass those desires of your heart, as you walk in fellowship with him. As VP said, we don't need to pray "if it be thy will" when we already know what his will is, via the Word.

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There is such a thing as believing in the bible. Check this out by Peter Wade Confession of belief yields receipt of confession. That concept is biblically based and not some fantasy.

I must admit, when I read Ephesians, I feel real real good.

Yes the bible teaches all of these things. You know the verses.

What! Twi taught the only time this existed was in the garden of Eden. Coolwaters what have you and Sunesis been smoking lately? Be careful otherwise you turn into

Oh my goodness, in your dreams Sunesis. We were taught in twi that we will always sin, and we cannot perfect the flesh because of the old man nature. We were taught in twi that the renewed mind is the key to power... Not perfection... I wish some folks would abandon the propaganda already.

Cool, I understand perfectly what you're saying. You're saying that twi taught that Christ was absent. Actually, twi taught a couple of things... They taught that as a substitute for the personage of Christ, the word takes his place on earth. They also taught that as a substitute for the personage of Christ, the holy spirit, i.e., Christ in You, the hope of Glory, takes his place on earth. When we walk in the spirit, we are ambassadors, representatives for Christ, here on earth. Christ is not here physically, which he is not. That's what Wierwille was teaching.

He lives, he lives, Christ Jesus lives today, he walks with me and he talks with me, along life's narrow way, he lives, he lives, salvation to impart... you ask me how I know HE LIVES I NOW CAN SPEAK IN TONGUES. Golly Gee. Where'd I learn that song from? Have you seen Christ of the Ozarks

Here's another certainty: HEIL WEEKEND!

Giving to good causes doesn't sound like something The Way would do, even in the good ol days of VPW. It may have been deliberate misinformation, learning. Uh oh. Your days are numbered, learning. Good riddance.

Years ago in a public meeting in New York, I heard V*n*e F*nn*g*n say "maybe Hitler wasn't wrong after all." I thought the statement was repugnant and in very poor taste. But it doesn't make him a nazi.

Mell, I've never seen any evidence of same. Some folks like to say he was a nazi but he loved the freedom we enjoyed in this country and wasn't into military dictatorship. From what I know he didn't believe in the holocaust and thought that issue was (and still is) being used for billions of American money earmarked for Israel. But last time I checked, believing all that does not make someone a nazi. It takes a bit more I would say. Nazi's murdered Jews and others. Some of VP's ways were repugnant but he shouldn't be accused of being a murderer. Seems that folks who don't believe in the holocaust are automatically labelled anti-semitic and that's a tactic being used for decades. One step further and they are nazis. To me, it's all namecalling propaganda. One more thought, I wouldn't suggest him a nazi because he's German. That's a no no.

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How could anyone possibly think that I am possessed?

If live in dusty places, here's your obliteration kit: + Don't even need a bible.