oldiesman

Yes, I still believe what we were taught in PFAL.Man was the ruler of this world until he transferred rulership over to satan, who is now the god of the world, who has the ability and willingness to cause these unnatural calamities that kill people. HOWEVER, let's not blame the devil for everything. Last night O'Reilly had on a scientist who wrote a paper a few years ago submitting that a hurricane greater than level 3 would wipe out New Orleans. They were warned, but didn't improve their levees when they had the chance. So it appears that it was a calamity waiting to happen. :(-->

When you say "we" who do you refer to and how can you speak for everyone else?Besides, I saw lots of folks who walked in love. Even I did every now and then. :D-->

I think success under these circumstances is many folks in the offshoots and elsewhere continuing in the good doctrine while simultaneously abandoning the bad doctrine and practices.Keeping the baby and throwing out the bathwater, as they say. Keeping the gold from Egypt, as they say. I think some of the offshoots are doing an admirable job (much better than twi is) of holding fast to the good doctrine and practice without all the negative baggage of twi. I also consider some of the good doctrine some of the most controversial elements of Christianity, like manifestations of the spirit, JCING, ATDAN, etc., some things that are certainly at least food for thought to the readers.

We also had people who believed and acted on the Word of God...I miss Elena...first met her in 1973 at my first PFAL class on Shelter Island in July of 1973. I will never forget those evenings she led the "Hillside Sings". Went over her apartment a few times in Manhattan. First met Murphy P.G. there, strangely enough,...just in from Oklahoma. Elena and I kept in loose contact for a number of years. Always pleasant to be around and talk to. She also went on the motorcycle trip with us in 1984...she wrote a nice day by day journal about it which I still treasure. Last time I saw her was at the ROA in 1989... I think she left twi shortly after that. She was one of those pleasant kind believers who made twi a nice place to be, once upon a time.

When you consider the success of the offshoots, coupled with the effects of the meanness of L. Craigo driving tons of folks out who may very well still be there had there been more love in twi-2, you may come to the conclusion that lots of folks believe that most twi doctrine was correct for a very long time, and probably still do.

Coolchef, I concur.The 70's were great but I had the time of my life going on the 1 month motorcycle trip with Dr. & Mrs. and the believers. They took VP's motorcoach and way prods. motorcoach and there was no hanky panky on those coaches as far as I know. :D--> We did visit a striptease establishment upon our arrival in Canada.

Right that VP and Terrell didn't author it. I'd be willing to bet a few bucks that the author is anonymous.

I'm sure you're right Belle.

Terrell Yarbrough

Glad having been involved, and glad to be out. :)--> Do or do not.There is no try! Yoda. ;)-->

I chose mostly good with a few errors, which is what I have believed for quite a number of years now. :)-->

Great news Danny, be safe. :)-->

Four Score and seven years ago... our Mothers brought forth upon this continent a New Nation conceived in oh never mind.. It's the Weekend! ! ! ! ! !

2% Spiritualist? I just knew that trapped door was open somewhere. :D-->

I sometimes wonder if his campaign against homos has anything to do with retaliation against Donna & Rosalie's "special friendship".

Wow, that's definitely some new doctrine that VP never taught. Holy moley

Oakspear, I believe you're right on the money. I shouldn't have gotten defensive with my SIT beliefs. I am actually open to hearing more. Of course, along with the info. Goey provided I also am examining JE Stiles and BG Leonard books, folks that don't have the same negative baggage as VP. Practically the same stuff but just in case some get turned off by VP... Anyway, this thread is helping me re-examine my beliefs, which is a good thing. :)-->

I don't mind going by that, but I have a problem with a double standard. For instance, if we say we got blessed from God alone and forget about where or who we got it from, fine. But to be fair, in that case we really should say we got hurt and abused from the Devil alone, and forget where or who we got THAT from as well. IF we're talking spiritual sources, let's talk spiritual sources exclusively. Put another way, if you blame VPW for being an evil SOB, then I believe to be fair you also should consider giving him some credit for the good works he managed to accomplish.

That's a far cry from what we once were taught, isn't it outandabout? Goodness gracious if that's what they really believe its bad over there. They need PFAL. :D-->

I will freely concede one point:if Christianity is a hoax, then what I received of the truth (or so proclaimed) in twi-1 was a hoax.

You are making a conclusion that twi (the twi I once knew) "masqueraded" as ministering for God. But evil was not the only thing that occurred. This is why I keep mentioning the point that the only things you are really considering in your viewpoint are the evil works of some. That's why you consider everything twi as merely a masquerade, a hoax, a sham, to lure the innocent people in. You miss everything else. Consider that if evil works of some defines the whole, and that's all that matters; then this country, this world, the history of our planet and our solar system is forever corrupt, hell in a handbasket without redemption.

I don't know. I suppose one can "logically" point out there is no God as well.But the Ford never explained Henry. I will read the links Goey supplied. :)-->

Try to forget twi for a moment...Do you feel betrayed that God has put you in a world where people hurt and kill other people and God doesn't intervene? Where we live in a country that has killed innocent people and God allows this? I could go on and on...but I see the implications of your focus and it's a lot bigger than twi...

Some of you just minimize God's blessings in peoples lives. Make them of none effect. I'm sorry to say I think some of your minds have been corrupted. I still love ya tho. :)-->

I've already proven it to myself and been doing it for 32 years, which is all the proof I need. If at this stage you believe you were taught the counterfeit tongues in twi, I can't stop you and not trying to stop you or try to dissuade you. But you already know what I've been taught and you once believed. Therefore, I assume that since you think it's a counterfeit, you have something better? So why not help us unknowledgable and errant Christians walking in darkness to do better? I believe it is incumbent upon those who say it's false to prove it, not the other way around. You seem to have the light, ok, shine the light. Since you have a better way, I'm all ears. :)-->