oldiesman

Looking at something in hindsight, with a critique toward improvement, is one thing, and quite honorable.But all I seem to see from you is a view toward destruction of anything twi related. Do you really have a heart to see a BETTER TWI? Or have it destroyed?

Doing the Word can be risky. That's fair enough and I don't advocate blaming them or condemning them, but nor should the program be condemned.Maybe we should access blame where it belongs, on the actual perpetrator of the crime.

And had Cowgirl acted on the revelation she received from God, not to talk with that guy, it would have been entirely to her credit, for acting upon God's warning.But, does that mean the WOW program was wrong for asking her to preach the Word? If that's the case, Mark 16:15 is wrong. Should the WOW program be blamed if something ungodly happened to her? Well, if she hadn't gone out WOW, it might not have happened to her, true enough. On the other hand, maybe it could have happened elsewhere. In that event, who do you blame?

If the people running the program knew that it was a dangerous neighborhood, and there's a probability that someone would get hurt, but sent them anyway, then yeah, you lay blame on the people making the decision. How did the organization know the Christian would likely be robbed?

And when someone got some help thru a WOW, the program also should get some credit for that success as well, for having been developed to have the Christian there to help another.Another way you might want to look at it is something like a baseball team you're fond of, winning the world series. Individual players help win the world series, and should be thanked, but it's also good that there's an organization there as part of the team that put the winning team together.

I pointed that out numerous times?You are misrepresenting my position, and putting words in my mouth. Nothing new. I prefer to look at the facts in each situation, then judge accordingly. But *you* seem to ALWAYS place the blame on twi, or the bot, or other representatives of twi, or anything twi related; the facts of a situation be damned.

Sounds like the only other option satisfying to you may have been not to have the program at all?But what's your take on when assaults, rapes and murders happen outside of twi? Who do you blame then?

I agree with WhiteDove & Linda Z. that the corps was a lifetime of leadership in twi, which meant a lifetime of "moving the Word," twi's way. Looking at it from another perspective, from the sponsor's perspective: why would someone sponsor an individual if they knew it was only for 4 years, then only to see the corps grad quit moving the Word?

It looks like you just missed the revelation...not to worry though God is still in business. ;) I tend to agree with the WOWs. You were blessed for speaking/doing the Word and it could have been worse. You're out there preaching the gospel to everything that moves (Mark 16:15)... Then God warns you not to speak to this guy over there.. but, unfortunately, you missed it. You speak to him anyway, he follows and harasses you, and, in a display of confident power and believing, you boldly say "In the name of Jesus Christ get off me"! Immediately the guy backs off, astonished at the power of God you were exposing him to! Sounds like a victorious story to me. :lol:

Have you decided to join us yet, ex10? Works for saint and sinner alike. "we are one"

Which is a clear double-standard. You blame twi and the bot for the ungodliness that happened. Yet offer no thanks or congrats to twi and the bot for the godliness that happened. Plain and simple hypocrisy.

Yeah, all except VP, Craig, and BOT, and anyone else who's on your poo poo list. :lol: :lol:

Cool did suggest that revelation was bogus, yes. Go back and read what Cool posted before you accuse me of manipulation.And how do you know they lied? Are you saying that there was never any revelation/inspiration during WOW placements? How can you possibly know all that? But if you said they lacked the prophetic skills to know when some of these tragic events would happen, I would agree with you.

I don't look at it as deliberately placing people in harm's way. But, if someone wanted to sue them if they thought they'd get financial recompense for damages, it might make sense depending on the circumstances.This reminds me of my cooperative. I was on the Board of Directors, and was protected by insurance, in the event someone falls on ice or whatnot and sues the Corporation and me for damages. Was it my intent that the person fall and hurt themselves? No! Same may be said of the bot. Was it their intent that folks got hurt, raped, murdered? I trow not :lol: Everything is *intent*. But it is possible that the Corporation *can be* legally held responsible for damages depending on the individual circumstances, which is why businesses have insurance policies, and specific officers & directors insurance policies to protect themselves individually as directors. Even if they did all that at all times, their efforts still wouldn't have guaranteed safety at all times.

I don't know how they could have possibly guaranteed safety.That's like saying they claimed they were able to eliminate ungodliness. :lol: :lol: Having coffee right now, Cool.And no I am not a closet innie!! So then you believe that nobody in twi ever received revelation or godly inspiration? Well, we just disagree. :lol:

Fear not, ex 10. Come. Join us. "we are one"

Why not?Just looking at the numbers alone, they must be doing something right. :lol:

Even if they were, how could the bot guarantee that the people who volunteered would always walk in godliness?Or, how could the bot guarantee that some wouldn't display horrible ungodliness, at various times? It is hardly like it.If the bot knowingly gave known pedophiles fellowships and children's fellowships, then yes, those on the bot making that decision should be blamed. But how does that compare with a shooting incident that the bot knows nothing about until after the fact?

Unless the director of the WOW program or the twi bot knew of the dangerous unstablity of this person, how can they be blamed for this shooting?It's about as lame an excuse as one might try to blame the firearms manufacturer for the misuse of firearms. But some do try...

That's all for me today folks. Have a great weekend

I don't doubt you were informed that he didn't have wheels. I think he may have even mentioned that at the meeting we attended. But, I was informed otherwise. After I heard from Vince how mistreated he supposedly was, I addressed this and was told that he was given (given) a van that formerly belonged to the Way of NY. I think it may have been the bookstore van at the time. He also was given a severance package: $$money. You don't have to believe me, but I am sticking with this opinion because it was told to me by someone I trust who knew all about that stuff. I don't think Vince was the helpless victim he portrayed himself to be and I don't think he disclosed all the facts about his situation with folks. It's not an issue; i'm just relaying some facts of that day. I wish Vince the best and always will.

What other gods were/are they worshipping? Who are they? Name them. Be specific. Don Wierwille was an administrator. Who did he worship, the Administrator God? :lol:

If he thought that, he was wrong. Why should he be afraid or have reservations about giving details? Details and facts would have proven his point of view. He didn't owe me anything, but it sure would have been the loving thing to do for him to give specific details and facts, if he had them, rather than jerk me around some.Trust his judgments without confirmatory details? I Trow Not :lol: Maybe you ignored them. Personally, I didn't hear anything from them. Also, in state of NY, nobody I spoke to mentioned anything about sexual misconduct. I would have addressed that, if I knew about it.

Ok Goey, you're right. I should have said I Trow Not :)

Wordwolf wrote: I really beg to differ! Not sure if it was the same meeting we were at, but the meeting I was at, folks greeted us were wearing Way nametags. Don't remember if it was NY or twi, but it was "The Way". Same thing. These things (nametags, songbooks, grapevines) all belonged to the Way of New York and twi. Same bible group. Vince was using his former employer's name and belongings, for his own purposes. It was a pathetic moment. If he wanted to conduct his own meeting and have CBC nametags, songbooks, grapevines, and so forth, that would have been different.