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$21,000 really isn't that much, considering. I also use the Citi Diamond Rewards card, that gives me points everytime I purchase. A bonus with that card is getting 5 points for every dollar spent at a gas station and drug store. So I pay the balance off every month, and sometime in the near future, will accumulate enough points to earn a new computer. :)-->

Oh darn I missed it.

He smoked too much.

Oakspear, Care to share what your debt was? :D--> I am currently in about $9,000 worth of debt to Discover Card, which seems like a lot, but I have a zero interest rate. I pay it off monthly and the deal they gave me is better than a bank. Credit cards are great, but you must know how to control them, rather than them controlling you.

I do remember having huge questions about tithing in the '80's. I wrote letters to headquarters, LCM, limb of NY. I got a long answer from John Schoenheit of the research dept. and also from limb of NY. LCM sent his letter to the research dept. The answer I got from the research dept. didn't satisfy me, really, but the response wasn't "hold it in abeyance", and it wasn't something that I was about to leave twi for. I could always not tithe and still attend twig, which I did for years.

I think "holding it in abeyance" was/is a very good option when one doesn't have an answer to a biblical problem. I submit that back in the good 'ol days, if one had an answer, and it didn't match twi and/or one couldn't live with twi's answers, one may simply leave if they couldn't live with twi's version, or never get involved in the first place, which describes many.

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Goey, best I come up with right now is that "godly fear" means something far different than fear.I do admit that I understand and still believe VP's version of fearing God as meaning reverance and respect. Different from "fear", which I liken to a mouse running away from a cat. In contrast, godly fear is having awe and reverence for God, but not wanting to flee from him, like a mouse would fear a cat, or like a lamb would fear a lion. I see God as a God of love, and as such wants us to come boldly to him, not see him as a killer we are to run from.

I still don't know what we are supposed to be afraid of. God has sanctified us in Christ. Justified us in Christ. Made us righteous in Christ. We are accepted in the beloved. There is nothing to fear. We are already seated in the heavenlies.

Nice memorial Eagle.

Hi Jim Happy Birthday.You said you made a stand against him when he went back on his word? May I ask, why did you remain with the ministry after that? I don't see you EVER taking a stand against him when he was alive. At least a meaningful one. To the contrary, did you not later become the limb leader of Maine, and stay for many years? Additionally, according to The Cult That Snapped, you knew Wierwille had many women. But all these things may not have bothered you all that much back then.

If that's true then I must be one who falls on the side of believing God wants us to love and respect Him as any Father would rather than fear Him.

The following letter from John Lynn was probably read by most of us but I note it again here as this thread is about CES/STFI.

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Good points Danny.

I must admit, I don't get that God wants his children to be afraid of him.

So long Maynard.

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